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    I'm absolutely a Nokia fan when it comes to cell phones but still i would not waste time programming for Symbian although C++ is native to it.

    My point is that Microsoft is the shizzle when it comes to 'programmable' systems... by that I mean most of the software market targets Microsoft (applications, games, entertainemnt...etc). And so by doing a very 'programmable' hand-held computers (something similar to iPhone), they would boost the world of software market that targets their platforms plus more importantly, they would attract C++ and C# programmers to do their stuff instead of doing Objective-C for the apple.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sean View Post
    dropped it off a 2-story building ... and not once did it fail on me.
    You dropped your phone about 20 feet and it still worked?
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    The iPhone operating systems is one among many others, Hussain. It's not even close to be the most popular.

    - Microsoft was already on that market, long before iPhone showed up, with their own Tablet PC. Meanwhile Windows CE was at the start and powers today more smartphone brands and models than Apple can even start to dream on with their own closed approach to hardware. Meaning smartphones running WinCE = many. Smartphones running Apple own OS = 1.

    - Symbian OS is actually a quite popular operating system and much desired by many software developers or software geeks over it's open source approach. You may not like it, but ask any mobile developer and they'll swear over symbian based phones and how easy... and cheap... it becomes to develop for this platform.

    Look at your initial post, and invert the terms. Ask instead why, oh why, doesn't Apple do more on the market of smartphones.

    EDIT: And I didn't even mention Microsoft mobile devices development platform which is integrated into Visual Studio off the box. The same environment, the same technologies, for different devices. I want to see Apple beat that. Really, I do. We need more players.
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    Originally Posted by brewbuck:
    Reimplementing a large system in another language to get a 25% performance boost is nonsense. It would be cheaper to just get a computer which is 25% faster.

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    Yup - landed on concrete too. Made one of the corners nice and rough, but that was it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mario F. View Post
    Hmm... not really. Depends on where you buy your cellphone, if from a service provider or from the a brand representative. I don't have a locked cellphone since the mid 90s. My current cellphone, the Motorola E1000, which will stay as my cellphone until the day it finally breaks, has been with me across 3 continents and 7 countries.
    Yes, I mean the iPhone. The iPhone is vendor locked while every other cell phone out there isn't. Oh, that's just wondrous, Apple! We get to pick only the one vendor YOU choose!
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    io.h certainly IS included in some modern compilers. It is no longer part of the standard for C, but it is nevertheless, included in the very latest Pelles C versions.
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    You mean it's included as a crutch to help ancient programmers limp along without them having to relearn too much.

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    Didn't know the iPhone did that.

    Granted, I have the same amount of interest for an iPhone as I have for a vasectomy.
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    Originally Posted by brewbuck:
    Reimplementing a large system in another language to get a 25% performance boost is nonsense. It would be cheaper to just get a computer which is 25% faster.

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    Wow, tuff phone.
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    I've never had any desire to buy a cell phone that is anything more than just a phone.
    These days it's almost impossible to find a cell phone that doesn't come with all kinds of other useless crap to drive up the price and lower the battery time... I don't need a phone with a CPU fast enough to play MP3's or watch videos or anything else. I just want a phone (and maybe a camera, in case I need to take a picture for insurance or something). I don't want chat, I don't want mp3s, I don't want video, I don't want games...
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    But there's always the cheaper models, isn't there?
    Quote Originally Posted by Adak View Post
    io.h certainly IS included in some modern compilers. It is no longer part of the standard for C, but it is nevertheless, included in the very latest Pelles C versions.
    Quote Originally Posted by Salem View Post
    You mean it's included as a crutch to help ancient programmers limp along without them having to relearn too much.

    Outside of your DOS world, your header file is meaningless.

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    No. You still need friends to get use out of "the cheaper models." The last thing I did with my phone was update myspace with it.

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    Everyone I know who purchased an iPhone complained soon after about almost every 'feature' of it. It is Apple who dropped the ball long ago and ever since then they have been attempting to recover.

    I think the era of small, hand-held has really begun. And it's all you need for fun.
    How is it fun to get a huge pain in your neck and a huge headache from staring at such a small screen?

    They are about games and applications, not work.
    Most people who purchase the devices you are talking about actually do use them primarily for work.

    Microsoft is sort of dying away in terms of physical device portability.
    How so? Windows CE does just fine. Besides they pretty much own all of PC-dom and almost all of console-dom. If they really wanted to I believe they could beat Apple in the hand-held market as well. But a company needs to focus on doing a couple of things and doing them really well. When you over-reach what you do well then you end up doing nothing well.
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    according to wikipedia, there is a windows 7 mobile

    i hope this is the light i'm talking about
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    Dude, if that's the light you're talking about, then the light has been around for a loong time. Past version of Windows Mobile have been "powered by" Windows CE, just like many other mobile operating systems. Soo... the first answer you got on her was the answer you just found.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hussain Hani View Post
    according to wikipedia, there is a windows 7 mobile
    i hope this is the light i'm talking about
    Just be careful you don't walk into a pole or something in the midst of your enlightenment

    Being somewhat old fashioned, I have to leave my computer at home, sanity-wise. Still, I am somewhat jealous of the phone-uplink craze -- I really want some kind of cranial implant eventually, and figure I will be left behind with my ineptness (the last time I owned a cellphone, it was an incredibly light 700g!)
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    Quote Originally Posted by MK27 View Post
    Just be careful you don't walk into a pole or something in the midst of your enlightenment

    Being somewhat old fashioned, I have to leave my computer at home, sanity-wise. Still, I am somewhat jealous of the phone-uplink craze -- I really want some kind of cranial implant eventually, and figure I will be left behind with my ineptness (the last time I owned a cellphone, it was an incredibly light 700g!)
    :P

    Since English is not my first language, i really do not know how to put it in words!!
    I know that Windows CE has been around for a long time but still it is not competing very well in the world of software.

    People love to program things for microsoft, that's why almost all applications target microsoft. But i do not think that they love to program for Windows CE as much as desktop OS, like 2000 and newer versions (XP, vista, 7).

    What I think is that there should be more and more development for hand-held computers because after all cellphones now are not what they were 20 years ago. They are computers
    "C makes it easy to shoot yourself in the foot; C++ makes it harder, but when you do, it blows away your whole leg."-Bjarne Stroustrup
    Nearing the end of finishing my 2D card game! I have to work on its 'manifesto' though <_<

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