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    It gives the wrong impression
    No, it just makes certain people very defensive, that's all.

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    Elysia you are funny. Thats just how people say things.

    Cars for example:

    I have a 1998 model. I don't "need" the 2009. That isn't saying I wouldn't want the 2009 model. Its just not worth it to me to get it until my 1998 one stops working for my needs.
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    But I heard that Toyota put a new revolutionary motor in their 2009 models.

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    Quote Originally Posted by prog-bman View Post
    Elysia you are funny. Thats just how people say things.

    Cars for example:

    I have a 1998 model. I don't "need" the 2009. That isn't saying I wouldn't want the 2009 model. Its just not worth it to me to get it until my 1998 one stops working for my needs.
    If someone says, "I don't need X" to me, I take it that they simply don't want it for one reason or another, hence why it's necessary to be careful with words.
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    io.h certainly IS included in some modern compilers. It is no longer part of the standard for C, but it is nevertheless, included in the very latest Pelles C versions.
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    You mean it's included as a crutch to help ancient programmers limp along without them having to relearn too much.

    Outside of your DOS world, your header file is meaningless.

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    If someone says, "I don't need X" to me, I take it that they simply don't want it for one reason or another, hence why it's necessary to be careful with words.
    People do not need to be more careful with their words, rather you need to be more careful with your understanding of those words. If someone says, "I don't need X", that means they don't need X. On the other hand, if they say, "I don't want X", then you can feel free to start arguing with them. Want and need are two different words with two different meanings.

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    Elysia, have you heard the phrase "If it ain't broken, don't fix it"?
    It applies to OS's too. If the one you have does everything you need, why upgrade?
    Especially since upgrading would mean you need to test it on your system before you know if it'll work properly.
    I hear lots of people complaining about Vista screwing up their systems and being a pain in the butt, but that's because they don't have the same hardware as me. On my system, Vista works just fine; on other hardware, it probably has some driver issues.
    Also, as others have said, it takes time to properly test an OS on your system; and right now I just don't have that kind of time. Later, I might have some time and decide to try it out.
    Microsoft usually releases trial versions of their OS's that run for about 30 days, so I can use that when I test it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bithub View Post
    People do not need to be more careful with their words, rather you need to be more careful with your understanding of those words. If someone says, "I don't need X", that means they don't need X. On the other hand, if they say, "I don't want X", then you can feel free to start arguing with them. Want and need are two different words with two different meanings.
    It's an interpretation question. Want/need sound exactly the same to me.

    Quote Originally Posted by cpjust View Post
    Elysia, have you heard the phrase "If it ain't broken, don't fix it"?
    It applies to OS's too. If the one you have does everything you need, why upgrade?
    Especially since upgrading would mean you need to test it on your system before you know if it'll work properly.
    I hear lots of people complaining about Vista screwing up their systems and being a pain in the butt, but that's because they don't have the same hardware as me. On my system, Vista works just fine; on other hardware, it probably has some driver issues.
    That's a flawed phrase.
    Hey, my Turbo C compiler works just fine, why should I upgrade?
    Or maybe,
    Hey, Visual C++ 6 works just fine, why upgrade? It costs a lot of money for nothing!
    Quote Originally Posted by Adak View Post
    io.h certainly IS included in some modern compilers. It is no longer part of the standard for C, but it is nevertheless, included in the very latest Pelles C versions.
    Quote Originally Posted by Salem View Post
    You mean it's included as a crutch to help ancient programmers limp along without them having to relearn too much.

    Outside of your DOS world, your header file is meaningless.

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    Hey, my Turbo C compiler works just fine, why should I upgrade?
    Because it doesn't follow standards and it's output is objectively inferior to that of other compilers. Furthermore, there are free alternatives that do a better job, and the vast majority of people who have tried other compilers would indicate to me that it's worth my time changing.

    Windows, on the other hand, does not have such a reputation, nor does Windows XP fail to help me get my work done. No standards have changed except for the fact that Microsoft needs to release a new product to stay "in the game", made some cosmetic changes, and made other tweaks that may be good or bad. To get me to ditch something that's already proven itself, those 'other tweaks' need to be signifcant. And I haven't seen any reason to believe they are.

    And nobody needs to craft their use of sentences to satisfy your sense of correctness, when everyone else in the conversation knows what they meant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sean View Post
    Because it doesn't follow standards and it's output is objectively inferior to that of other compilers. Furthermore, there are free alternatives that do a better job, and the vast majority of people who have tried other compilers would indicate to me that it's worth my time changing.
    *cough* Same could be said about XP. *cough*

    Windows, on the other hand, does not have such a reputation, nor does Windows XP fail to help me get my work done. No standards have changed except for the fact that Microsoft needs to release a new product to stay "in the game", made some cosmetic changes, and made other tweaks that may be good or bad. To get me to ditch something that's already proven itself, those 'other tweaks' need to be signifcant. And I haven't seen any reason to believe they are.
    Are you comparing Win7 to Vista? There are only minor changes in those, but XP --> Win7, there are major changes.
    And let me repeat: I am only saying you need to try Win7 before passing judgment. You can say, sure Win7 looks/is a nice OS, but it's not worth to pay $200 to upgrade to it.
    (Which is also my opinion: Win7 is better than Vista and XP, but isn't worth the money to upgrade to.)
    And I sincerely disagree that it's just a release to "stay in the game." Windows has received its first new major UI makeover since Windows 95. Clearly, Microsoft wants to improve Windows, rather than just spitting out a new version with a few tweaks to stay in the game.
    Quote Originally Posted by Adak View Post
    io.h certainly IS included in some modern compilers. It is no longer part of the standard for C, but it is nevertheless, included in the very latest Pelles C versions.
    Quote Originally Posted by Salem View Post
    You mean it's included as a crutch to help ancient programmers limp along without them having to relearn too much.

    Outside of your DOS world, your header file is meaningless.

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    Windows has received its first new major UI makeover since Windows 95.
    A new UI is not enough for most people to upgrade. I don't understand why you can't relate to people that are happy with what they have, and have no desire to change...

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    I am not saying they should upgrade. I am saying they should try Windows 7 before dismissing it.
    I don't plan to upgrade, for example, even though I like Win7.
    Quote Originally Posted by Adak View Post
    io.h certainly IS included in some modern compilers. It is no longer part of the standard for C, but it is nevertheless, included in the very latest Pelles C versions.
    Quote Originally Posted by Salem View Post
    You mean it's included as a crutch to help ancient programmers limp along without them having to relearn too much.

    Outside of your DOS world, your header file is meaningless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elysia
    It's an interpretation question. Want/need sound exactly the same to me.
    Most people, including myself, would disagree with that within this context.

    Elysia, no one attacked Win 7 (in this thread at least), and yet you get all irate because some people don't feel like upgrading tomorrow? No one was passing judgment. Saying "this works for me" is not the same as saying "the new one isn't better".

    You should chill, MS can handle themselves.
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    I don't even know what you're talking about anymore, Elysia, so I'm done...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elysia View Post
    *cough* Same could be said about XP. *cough*
    I'm from Missouri.

    Quote Originally Posted by Elysia
    I am not saying they should upgrade. I am saying they should try Windows 7 before dismissing it.
    I don't plan to upgrade, for example, even though I like Win7.
    That is the worst sales pitch I have ever heard. You really should let microsoft marketing do their job themselves.

    Quote Originally Posted by Elysia
    And I sincerely disagree that it's just a release to "stay in the game." Windows has received its first new major UI makeover since Windows 95. Clearly, Microsoft wants to improve Windows, rather than just spitting out a new version with a few tweaks to stay in the game.
    Tee hee, are Microsoft people GUI wizards now?

    They wanted a good 64-bit OS. Vista wasn't perceived as such by the market. A little spitshine and lo an behold, it's a brand new day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yarin View Post
    Most people, including myself, would disagree with that within this context.

    Elysia, no one attacked Win 7 (in this thread at least), and yet you get all irate because some people don't feel like upgrading tomorrow? No one was passing judgment. Saying "this works for me" is not the same as saying "the new one isn't better".

    You should chill, MS can handle themselves.
    No, I get a little annoyed when people announce "eh, XP works fine, who needs Win7"?
    That is what I gathered from some replies.
    I don't care one way or another if anyone upgrades or not, though. That's Microsoft's battle.

    Quote Originally Posted by whiteflags View Post
    That is the worst sales pitch I have ever heard. You really should let microsoft marketing do their job themselves.
    I am not selling anything. I don't care if people do not upgrade.
    All I don't like is people dismissing or ignoring something without trying it.

    Tee hee, are Microsoft people GUI wizards now?
    Microsoft has always been good at GUI, have they not?

    They wanted a good 64-bit OS. Vista wasn't perceived as such by the market. A little spitshine and lo an behold, it's a brand new day.
    Vista was a failure, so they polished it among other things.
    Of course Microsoft wants a good OS out there, and it makes sense then to improve what was broken in the last version. But they didn't just add a new UI, contrary to belief! I don't know why people keep bashing on that.
    It is one out of all Windows 7's new features.
    Quote Originally Posted by Adak View Post
    io.h certainly IS included in some modern compilers. It is no longer part of the standard for C, but it is nevertheless, included in the very latest Pelles C versions.
    Quote Originally Posted by Salem View Post
    You mean it's included as a crutch to help ancient programmers limp along without them having to relearn too much.

    Outside of your DOS world, your header file is meaningless.

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