China and Tibet

maxorator · 03-26-2008, 10:11 AM

Tibet has always been a separate nationality, just like Estonians. Tibetans have a different culture than Chinese, just like Estonians have a different culture than Russians. They have their own language, just like Estonians have. The only difference between us is that there are 5x more Tibetans and Tibet is not an independant country. They are suffering the same terror that Estonians suffered in the Soviet Union. Luckily Estonia is free now, but due to the stubborness of China, Tibet is still occupied.

Some Chinese are claiming that Tibetans are terrorists and worse than al Qaeda. One of my teachers is a buddhist (but an Estonian) and he has introduced the Tibetan culture and religion to us a little. Their religion is totally pacifistic, even more than Christianity is. I don't see any way they could even hurt a fly. Their religion is based on energy channels in their body and the belief that they can explore and understand their minds better when meditating.

Tibetans are sending their children to India so they could get proper Tibetan education, because China is probably hostile against all other cultures.

I don't see how China could claim they're better than the Soviet Union was... the same terror is there too.

I would also like to hear your opinion.

matsp · 03-26-2008, 10:14 AM

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I don't see how China could claim they're better than the Soviet Union was... the same terror is there too.

I'd agree with that [and the rest of your post].

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Mats

indigo0086 · 03-26-2008, 10:33 AM

The Olympics couldn't have come at a better time. I hear that Olympic participants have to sign a contract not to comment on the events. But since the press is going to be there as it is I wonder how they'll deal with that without seeming like the steel arm that they are already perceived to be.

PING · 03-26-2008, 10:36 AM

Democracy >> Socialism

abachler · 03-26-2008, 10:46 AM

Well, as soon as we figure out a solution to a billion man army that doesnt involve making the planet glow so bright it lights up the martian sky we could maybe impliment a regime change there. Until then the political reality is china does what it wants adn as logn as it doesnt attack our interests there is little we will do about it. We may be the 800lb Gorilla, but china is the fat kid that you cant punch hard enough to hurt.

indigo0086 · 03-26-2008, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by abachler

Well, as soon as we figure out a solution to a billion man army that doesnt involve making the planet glow so bright it lights up the martian sky we could maybe impliment a regime change there. Until then the political reality is china does what it wants adn as logn as it doesnt attack our interests there is little we will do about it. We may be the 800lb Gorilla, but china is the fat kid that you cant punch hard enough to hurt.

he's more like the fat kid who wears a shield of a billion other fat kids.

abachler · 03-26-2008, 11:04 AM

Either way, we will run out of bullets before they run out of people. What we need is an army of terminators.

PING · 03-26-2008, 11:14 AM

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Either way, we will run out of bullets before they run out of people. What we need is an army of terminators.!

If you do that, what is the difference between you and the Nazis ?

indigo0086 · 03-26-2008, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by abachler

Either way, we will run out of bullets before they run out of people. What we need is an army of terminators.

We really just have to stay put, without nukes neither of us are going to breach one another's defenses. With sea and air superiority they won't make it here, and with their ground superiority we won't hold anything there.

"This isn't Nam, there are rules"

Mario F. · 03-26-2008, 11:55 AM

It's not the Chinese army that stops an all out protest of its imperialistic politics. It's their economy and their UN Security Council permanent seat.

The Tibetan unfortunately got the rotten deal; i.e. lots of smiles and nods from the international community but no real support to their rightful claims.

The Dalai Lama was here in Portugal recently and didn't even got received by the Prime Minister. 2 weeks after that he went to China to sign more economic deals. The tyrannic force, these days, is economy. Everything gets reduced to that and all decisions are based on that.

I'm truly sorry for the Tibetan people. And I sympathize profoundly with their cause (even though they have no one else to blame but themselves). Hopefully someone will boycot the Olympic Games, and someone who doesn't - will make sure they will disrespect that paper they are being forced to sign. It will not solve anything but will just further embarrass the chinese regime and raise even more awareness.

**Dave_Sinkula** · 03-26-2008, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by PING

If you do that, what is the difference between you and the Nazis ?

Godwin's in 8.

indigo0086 · 03-26-2008, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave_Sinkula

Godwin's in 8.

Godwin's law, forever sound.

abachler · 03-26-2008, 01:04 PM

I posit that the terms terrorist and terrorism are derivative violations of the spirit of Godwin's law. As for the notion that the press will violate their agreement, it won't matter. People are already aware, they just don't care. Unless they find oil, diamonds, or uranium in Tibet, it will be business as usual.

PING · 03-26-2008, 01:09 PM

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Godwin's in 8.

Lol, but seriously, i think that comparison is apt for the post mentioned.

Neo1 · 03-26-2008, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by PING

Democracy >> Socialism

Socialism does not rule out democracy...

03-26-2008, 10:11 AM	#1
maxorator Reverse Engineer Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Estonia Posts: 2,258	China and Tibet Tibet has always been a separate nationality, just like Estonians. Tibetans have a different culture than Chinese, just like Estonians have a different culture than Russians. They have their own language, just like Estonians have. The only difference between us is that there are 5x more Tibetans and Tibet is not an independant country. They are suffering the same terror that Estonians suffered in the Soviet Union. Luckily Estonia is free now, but due to the stubborness of China, Tibet is still occupied. Some Chinese are claiming that Tibetans are terrorists and worse than al Qaeda. One of my teachers is a buddhist (but an Estonian) and he has introduced the Tibetan culture and religion to us a little. Their religion is totally pacifistic, even more than Christianity is. I don't see any way they could even hurt a fly. Their religion is based on energy channels in their body and the belief that they can explore and understand their minds better when meditating. Tibetans are sending their children to India so they could get proper Tibetan education, because China is probably hostile against all other cultures. I don't see how China could claim they're better than the Soviet Union was... the same terror is there too. I would also like to hear your opinion. __________________ The duck is irrelevant to my point.
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03-26-2008, 10:33 AM	#3
indigo0086 Ethernal Noob Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 1,891	The Olympics couldn't have come at a better time. I hear that Olympic participants have to sign a contract not to comment on the events. But since the press is going to be there as it is I wonder how they'll deal with that without seeming like the steel arm that they are already perceived to be.
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03-26-2008, 10:36 AM	#4
PING Registered User Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: india Posts: 493	Democracy >> Socialism __________________ Go Petr !! My Blog
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03-26-2008, 10:46 AM	#5
abachler Malum in se Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 3,188	Well, as soon as we figure out a solution to a billion man army that doesnt involve making the planet glow so bright it lights up the martian sky we could maybe impliment a regime change there. Until then the political reality is china does what it wants adn as logn as it doesnt attack our interests there is little we will do about it. We may be the 800lb Gorilla, but china is the fat kid that you cant punch hard enough to hurt. __________________ Until you can build a working general purpose reprogrammable computer out of basic components from radio shack, you are not fit to call yourself a programmer in my presence. This is cwhizard, signing off.
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03-26-2008, 11:04 AM	#7
abachler Malum in se Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 3,188	Either way, we will run out of bullets before they run out of people. What we need is an army of terminators. __________________ Until you can build a working general purpose reprogrammable computer out of basic components from radio shack, you are not fit to call yourself a programmer in my presence. This is cwhizard, signing off.
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03-26-2008, 11:55 AM	#10
Mario F. (?<!re)tired Join Date: May 2006 Location: Portugal Posts: 5,619	It's not the Chinese army that stops an all out protest of its imperialistic politics. It's their economy and their UN Security Council permanent seat. The Tibetan unfortunately got the rotten deal; i.e. lots of smiles and nods from the international community but no real support to their rightful claims. The Dalai Lama was here in Portugal recently and didn't even got received by the Prime Minister. 2 weeks after that he went to China to sign more economic deals. The tyrannic force, these days, is economy. Everything gets reduced to that and all decisions are based on that. I'm truly sorry for the Tibetan people. And I sympathize profoundly with their cause (even though they have no one else to blame but themselves). Hopefully someone will boycot the Olympic Games, and someone who doesn't - will make sure they will disrespect that paper they are being forced to sign. It will not solve anything but will just further embarrass the chinese regime and raise even more awareness. __________________ Originally Posted by brewbuck: Reimplementing a large system in another language to get a 25% performance boost is nonsense. It would be cheaper to just get a computer which is 25% faster.
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03-26-2008, 01:04 PM	#13
abachler Malum in se Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 3,188	I posit that the terms terrorist and terrorism are derivative violations of the spirit of Godwin's law. As for the notion that the press will violate their agreement, it won't matter. People are already aware, they just don't care. Unless they find oil, diamonds, or uranium in Tibet, it will be business as usual. __________________ Until you can build a working general purpose reprogrammable computer out of basic components from radio shack, you are not fit to call yourself a programmer in my presence. This is cwhizard, signing off. Last edited by abachler; 03-26-2008 at 01:08 PM.
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