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This is a discussion on Advanced AI within the General AI Programming forums, part of the Cprogramming.com and AIHorizon.com's Artificial Intelligence Boards category; Originally Posted by abachler The OP was arguing against the term aritifical as applied to artifical intelligence, not whether machines ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by abachler View Post
    The OP was arguing against the term aritifical as applied to artifical intelligence, not whether machines are intelligent.
    I think that was a different thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by robwhit View Post
    I think that was a different thread.
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    You are correct, I misremembered the thread name. Please accept my apologies.

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    It is pointless to argue this matter, as when AI is actually intelligent, it will be able to make its own argument, until then its a mute point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CornedBee View Post
    Perhaps you could discuss free will in humans before bothering with free will in machines. Or you could argue whether humans aren't a sort of machine, too.
    A good point, Prof Richard Dawkins of Oxford University wrote 'The Selfish Gene' which is more or less about that very idea, including the whole animal kingdom also, living things are shown to be 'survival machines' built by genes, their forms arising from survival strategy evolved through environmental pressures.
    it is a most thought provoking work by a big academic hitter, and controversial at publication. the author also writes code including the evolutionary model 'The Blind Watchmaker'.

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    That text is so outdated, Im surprised people still read it. But then there is another far older text that is full of outdated info that people still read, so I guess its human nature to believe in what you want, not in what is.
    Until you can build a working general purpose reprogrammable computer out of basic components from radio shack, you are not fit to call yourself a programmer in my presence. This is cwhizard, signing off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by abachler View Post
    That text is so outdated, Im surprised people still read it. But then there is another far older text that is full of outdated info that people still read, so I guess its human nature to believe in what you want, not in what is.
    You really are incredible. I don't want to seem I'm after everything you say.
    But jebus! Almost everything you say is so incredibly stupid, the selfish gene in me forces me to reply.

    You have the slightest idea how incredibly ignorant that statement of yours is? I mean, c'mon! By the same account Darwin's theory of evolution is a fossil everybody should burn in the fireplace.

    The book in question is to this date one of the most read books in the subject. It keeps providing grounds for lots of debate and it's, despite one agreeing or not with its contents, a center piece in the contribution to the human knowledge of evolution.

    Shutup!
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    Originally Posted by brewbuck:
    Reimplementing a large system in another language to get a 25% performance boost is nonsense. It would be cheaper to just get a computer which is 25% faster.

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    That text is so outdated, Im surprised people still read it. But then there is another far older text that is full of outdated info that people still read, so I guess its human nature to believe in what you want, not in what is.
    I have to agree, what a foolish comment that was, and reflecting MarioF's comment the author himself freely admits to publishing the work 'warts and all' in the foreword of late editions (If abalacher had read it perhaps he would know that) and heavily references entries with new work and research and thoughts on the opinions, which gives a great view on how the authors views have 'evolved' or remained static on some of his own arguments

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    You are mistaken. I read the book not long after it was originally published.
    Until you can build a working general purpose reprogrammable computer out of basic components from radio shack, you are not fit to call yourself a programmer in my presence. This is cwhizard, signing off.

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