DX or OpenGL?

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    Yes, Microsoft monopoly, unfortunately. Until someone backports it to XP. IIRC someone is already doing that, but I don't know how well it's going / how well it can be done.
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    io.h certainly IS included in some modern compilers. It is no longer part of the standard for C, but it is nevertheless, included in the very latest Pelles C versions.
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    You mean it's included as a crutch to help ancient programmers limp along without them having to relearn too much.

    Outside of your DOS world, your header file is meaningless.

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    Yup.

    And my computer (the one I usually use for my programming) is quite old. 400mhz, 198mb ram.
    I'm hoping I can fit the DX SDK and DX9.0c onto the hard drive.

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    Wow. What game do you expect to make to run on that machine?
    Quote Originally Posted by Adak View Post
    io.h certainly IS included in some modern compilers. It is no longer part of the standard for C, but it is nevertheless, included in the very latest Pelles C versions.
    Quote Originally Posted by Salem View Post
    You mean it's included as a crutch to help ancient programmers limp along without them having to relearn too much.

    Outside of your DOS world, your header file is meaningless.

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    Not really sure... Still setting it up.
    Will probably be making small things, then when I get into bigger things, I will move my programs down to this computer. (Much faster)
    I would still use it for coding, compiling, simple things.

    I've tried doing so many of those XP tweaking guides on the internet...


    edit: Although Microsoft does make it for new machines, they are probably one of the biggest companies in the world, so the API won't go out of date. Like OpenGL, it hasn't been updated in a while.
    Last edited by michaelp; 01-02-2008 at 05:47 PM.

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    > Like OpenGL, it hasn't been updated in a while.
    OpenGL is merely a specification. There have been a lot of OpenGL extensions and developments recently, and OpenGL 3.0 is on the way.

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    I feel that DirectX gives me the most bang for my buck, or lack thereof, because it entails sound, input, and the whole enchilada. Direct3D is just one portion of DirectX and to judge DirectX solely in the context of Direct3D is a misstep.

    But you use whatever API aids you the most and what you feel comfortable with. We could give you all kinds of advice and opinions for and against both but in the end the choice is yours.

    You will not get slammed for using DirectX, OpenGL, Allegro, SDL, etc, on these boards. You will get slammed if you use those with no forethought as to the underlying principles. A fancy API is nothing without knowing how to apply it.

    Your first question should not be what's the easy and quick route unless this is a product that is dependent on money and thus time. Your question should be which API offers the most for your specific project. Don't choose DX, GL, Allegro, or SDL just because one is easier than the other. They are all about the same as far as difficulty goes. Game programming is not easy, period. But it is some of the most enjoyable code I've written (when it works) and the satsfaction of seeing your game code running is worth all the fuss.
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    Cool.
    Thanks for the help everyone, I've chosen DX and have set it up with Dev-Cpp.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elysia View Post
    Wow. What game do you expect to make to run on that machine?
    Sorry for double post.


    I have a had quite a few good games be able to run on the computer.
    Age of Empires 1 and 2 could run on it.
    A game called "G-Nome", which now that I think about it, has very impressive graphics for he computer it is ran on. Under system requirements for it, it only needed 16MB of ram.
    Google "G-Nome" for images.

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    Sure, games can run, but can your games run on the old hardware? Or are you specializing in old games that run regardless of hardware?
    Quote Originally Posted by Adak View Post
    io.h certainly IS included in some modern compilers. It is no longer part of the standard for C, but it is nevertheless, included in the very latest Pelles C versions.
    Quote Originally Posted by Salem View Post
    You mean it's included as a crutch to help ancient programmers limp along without them having to relearn too much.

    Outside of your DOS world, your header file is meaningless.

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    I won't know until I start to make some.
    But I'm sure I will be able to make something half-decent (maybe not as good as G-Nome) on my computer.

    And G-Nome was made using DX 3. :O

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elysia View Post
    Wow. What game do you expect to make to run on that machine?
    How about Pong... with a colored ball.

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    I found it odd that you're running a DX on a pretty low-tech computer on an almost unsupported IDE system.

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    You make it sound like 400 MHz is the stone age. Bah. Most of the best games I know would run flawlessly there.
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    Compared to today's hardware, it is! But I'm more concerned over the poor capabilities of the graphics card.
    Quote Originally Posted by Adak View Post
    io.h certainly IS included in some modern compilers. It is no longer part of the standard for C, but it is nevertheless, included in the very latest Pelles C versions.
    Quote Originally Posted by Salem View Post
    You mean it's included as a crutch to help ancient programmers limp along without them having to relearn too much.

    Outside of your DOS world, your header file is meaningless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CornedBee View Post
    You make it sound like 400 MHz is the stone age. Bah. Most of the best games I know would run flawlessly there.
    400 mHz is just a step away from Babbage's difference engine, it's not the stone age, more like the Jurassic period!...
    How I need a drink, alcoholic in nature, after the heavy lectures involving quantum mechanics.

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