Starting to program games in visual c++

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    Starting to program games in visual c++

    Ok, I have this book called How to Program C++: Third Edition. By Deitel & Deitel. That is my tool. Using that book, I want to learn all I need to know about C++ to start to make a game. I use MSVC++ 6.0.

    1) Can you program games with MSVC++ 6.0?
    2) Is there any difference between c++ and visual c++?
    3) What all should I learn from my book about c++ that will enable me to make a simple game like galaxian, or even simpler. So far I know all the basic stuff, functions, void stuff, arrays. What else should I learn before trying to do a simple game?

    Please answer my 3 questions, especially #3. Thank you.

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    1)yes
    2)as with all compilers they have there own fetures that makes them diffent but it has all of the base C++ header files and uses the same language
    3) Okay first learn almost all of the C stuff and atleast have a basic undersanding of c++ stuff. Then try learning a bit of windows api, after that , you probaly want to learn Direct draw for 2D graphics or Direct 3d or open GL for 2d graphics. It also posible to make a consle based game but that take a lot of work.

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    But...

    I think of the C language to be outdated and old. I thought that c++ had everything c does plus more. Do I really have to learn c? Am I able to make games only learning c++ and then direct x 8?

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    first off C is NOT outdated and never say that - lest you be smacked!

    no, you don't HAVE to learn C, but it'd be nice...

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    C++ has more...'features' if you will, but C is a little faster.

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    Yes...

    But, my main question: Am I able to make games with ONLY my MSVC++ 6.0, learning c++, and direct x 8.0a SDK (137mb)? One more question: Can I program games in visual basic, because I'd be a lot better using basic, for now at least. I'm much more familiar with basic. So please answer the TWO above questions, thank you.

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    Yes and yes.

    C++ is C with object oriented design tools. You do stuff with C, you design it with ++. Outdated is irrelevant, as a language controls computer hardware. Only computer hardware is able to be outdated. Some people believe designs are outdated but that is a matter of what you've learned, what works best, and your own personal taste. C++ takes C and adds even older design concepts. So in a way, C++ is older than C.

    BASIC will make games, just not professional high performance games. I would recommend you learn the language (C/C++) that you can go the farthest with instead of.. dare I say.. wasting your time on BASIC.

    Visual C++ is visual because you don't type into a DOS prompt. Yay. MSVC++ uses C++. Direct X will allow you to (eventually) create 3D or 2D games with full screen or windowed modes, with sound support, input device like joystick support, and network support. The con: only works on Windows OS's. That may not concern you, of course..

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    Yes and yes.

    C++ is C with object oriented design tools. You do stuff with C, you design it with ++. Outdated is irrelevant, as a language controls computer hardware. Only computer hardware is able to be outdated. Some people believe designs are outdated but that is a matter of what you've learned, what works best, and your own personal taste. C++ takes C and adds even older design concepts. So in a way, C++ is older than C.

    BASIC will make games, just not professional high performance games. I would recommend you learn the language (C/C++) that you can go the farthest with instead of.. dare I say.. wasting your time on BASIC.

    Visual C++ is visual because you don't type into a DOS prompt. Yay. MSVC++ uses C++. Direct X will allow you to (eventually) create 3D or 2D games with full screen or windowed modes, with sound support, input device like joystick support, and network support. The con: only works on Windows OS's. That may not concern you, of course..
    MFC is visual, comparable to VB...

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    With MSVC and MFC you can do anyhting you can do in basic. But it also opens many more doors.

    Just start by learning the C/C++ Syntax.

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    Best Steps 4 doing what you want to do :

    1. Learn all C++ syntax.

    2. Learn how to program windows programs (they're completely different from the DOS or console mode applications), better learn both the Win API and a little bit of MFC.

    3. Learn OpenGL (the best grafix engine ) See the pole on whether opengl is better than directx on this board.

    4. Learn a bit of games programming techniques (e.g. BSP trees etc.)

    5. Write your first game and give me all the credit for it

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    I...

    I have to learn ALL of the c++ syntax? You mean go through the WHOLE 1000 page book by deitel and deitel? ALL of it? Also, should I bother at all with Visual Basic? I got MSVB for free, so I'm just wondering. But, learn ALL of the c++ syntax? And one more thing: I think this book I have by deitel and deitel (called How to Program C++) has errors in it. The syntax is wrong, i think. For example, they include header files that don't work, like cstdlib. Also, for their including header files, the syntax there is wrong. for example it says #include <cstdlib>. Just like that, no '.h' or anything, and that header file doesnt exist anyways! Also, for if statements, it says do this:

    if (a==5)
    !Do all the stuff here
    else if (a==7)
    !Do all the stuff here

    And there are no braces ({})! In their examples, it appears like that with no brackets/braces. Something is definitely wrong with this book man, could you guys possibly reccommend a good one?

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    Something is definitely wrong with this book man, could you guys possibly reccommend a good one?
    Deitel & Deitel's book is considered by many the best available.
    Also, for their including header files, the syntax there is wrong. for example it says #include <cstdlib>. Just like that, no '.h' or anything, and that header file doesnt exist anyways!
    That's correct, there is no .h at the end. The C++ Standard says there there is no .h at the end of the header files of the Standard C++ library and that all of the header files of the Standard C library get a c added before their name and the .h removed. By the way, MSVC does have these new headers, so why do you say they don't exist?
    And there are no braces ({})!
    Braces are only required if you want to have more than one statement executed for the if/else/while/do/for statement and even then you can use the comma operator.
    - lmov

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    whew!

    Thanks, I thought I was going to have to get a new book. Now I'll be able to continue with it. But, again, must I learn ALL of the syntax and go through the WHOLE book before doing a game? Also, one more question. How do you declare a global variable that keeps its value?

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    You won't have to know everything in the book to create a game, but unless the game is to be pretty simple you'll need other books/tutorials aswell. What type of game were you planning on making?

    If you create variables in global scope (not within functions or classes) they'll keep their values.
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    I wanted to start out with...

    I was thinking perhaps a game like galaxian or something like that. Maybe even simpler. Just something like that. Also, I need a bit of help, please read my post called "Yay! My first game! Come look!". It's a tic tac toe game. Please help me on it, it works, theres just a few bugs.

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