non dot net build

luigi40 · 10-28-2005, 06:17 AM

is it possible to build a project that will run on windows98/xp that doesnt have the dot net framework installed?

i guess you need to supply dll,s, i have looked on msdn with no success.

luigi

rockytriton · 10-28-2005, 06:47 AM

yes, just create a C++ project and don't select one of the .NET projects.

EDIT: Oh, this is the C# forum, well if you want to use C#, you NEED the .NET framework, there is no way around it.

luigi40 · 10-28-2005, 01:21 PM

so what happens when you create a C# application that gets downloaded by a user with no dot net framework installed on their machine, does this mean you need to provide the framework as well?

luigi

rockytriton · 10-28-2005, 02:48 PM

they can't run any application that uses .NET if they don't have .NET installed. If I recall correctly, they get an error that mscore.dll could not be found (I think that's the DLL). It's exactly the same as if you build a C++ program using MFC but don't distribute the MFC DLL and they don't have it already.

luigi40 · 10-29-2005, 08:55 AM

so if i distribute the mscore.dll with the application will it work?

**nvoigt** · 10-30-2005, 01:57 AM

No. You need the installed Version of the .NET Framework on your target machine. Everything else is a hack that will probably not survive the next patch.

luigi40 · 10-30-2005, 04:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nvoigt

No. You need the installed Version of the .NET Framework on your target machine. Everything else is a hack that will probably not survive the next patch.

hmmmm sounds like "bill gates's" world domination attempt .. again

luigi

Frobozz · 11-08-2005, 02:14 AM

I don't see the problem here. Why not give them .NET on CDs? You don't go copying individual DirectX files if you want to play a game do you? Why do the same with .NET?

**nvoigt** · 11-08-2005, 04:20 AM

Quote:

hmmmm sounds like "bill gates's" world domination attempt .. again

Yeah. Like that evil Java stuff, that only runs on machines that actually have Java installed...

In a world where one would download CDs as well as movies in DVD quality from the net ( I don't, if it's worth watching, it's worth paying for, but morals or laws are not the point here ), saying you cannot download a 20MB Framework while your favorite filesharing tool is working in the back ground is hypocritical. ( Not saying you are, it's just that this is the main argument why .NET is bad... )

Frobozz · 11-08-2005, 02:48 PM

A lot of the complaints I've heard of are about the download size too. However, most people I've talked to actually seem to like .NET and don't mind so there are few that complain.

nickname_changed · 11-08-2005, 04:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frobozz

A lot of the complaints I've heard of are about the download size too. However, most people I've talked to actually seem to like .NET and don't mind so there are few that complain.

When customers complain about the 20mb download (because they don't really understand what the framework is), I explain it as just an operating system upgrade. Considering soon they'll have a load of applications wanting to use it, they may as well think of it as an upgrade. They were all happy to download SP2, so the .NET framework shouldn't be a problem.

nickname_changed · 11-08-2005, 04:11 PM

And if you have people running Windows 98, you've got bigger problems. Do you realise that operating system is 7 years old? Sounds like your problems won't be with backwards compatibility between programs - more like compatibility with backwards people.

10-28-2005, 06:17 AM	#1
luigi40 budding software engineer Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: South Coast UK Posts: 61	non dot net build is it possible to build a project that will run on windows98/xp that doesnt have the dot net framework installed? i guess you need to supply dll,s, i have looked on msdn with no success. luigi Last edited by luigi40; 10-28-2005 at 06:33 AM.
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10-28-2005, 06:47 AM	#2
rockytriton Unregistered User Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Antarctica Posts: 341	yes, just create a C++ project and don't select one of the .NET projects. EDIT: Oh, this is the C# forum, well if you want to use C#, you NEED the .NET framework, there is no way around it.
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10-28-2005, 01:21 PM	#3
luigi40 budding software engineer Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: South Coast UK Posts: 61	xp so what happens when you create a C# application that gets downloaded by a user with no dot net framework installed on their machine, does this mean you need to provide the framework as well? luigi
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10-28-2005, 02:48 PM	#4
rockytriton Unregistered User Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Antarctica Posts: 341	they can't run any application that uses .NET if they don't have .NET installed. If I recall correctly, they get an error that mscore.dll could not be found (I think that's the DLL). It's exactly the same as if you build a C++ program using MFC but don't distribute the MFC DLL and they don't have it already.
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luigi40 budding software engineer Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: South Coast UK Posts: 61	so if i distribute the mscore.dll with the application will it work?
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10-30-2005, 01:57 AM	#6
nvoigt the hat of redundancy hat Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Hannover, Germany Posts: 2,769	No. You need the installed Version of the .NET Framework on your target machine. Everything else is a hack that will probably not survive the next patch. __________________ hth -nv She was so Blonde, she spent 20 minutes looking at the orange juice can because it said "Concentrate." When in doubt, read the FAQ. Then ask a smart question.
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11-08-2005, 02:14 AM	#8
Frobozz Registered User Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 546	I don't see the problem here. Why not give them .NET on CDs? You don't go copying individual DirectX files if you want to play a game do you? Why do the same with .NET?
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Frobozz Registered User Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 546	A lot of the complaints I've heard of are about the download size too. However, most people I've talked to actually seem to like .NET and don't mind so there are few that complain.
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