For a Newbie, 2.0 or 1.1?

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    *shudders, 300$ for a hobby?

    I dunno, for 300$ id much rather put it to different use and go with opensource software like this Sharpdevelop and Blender (3d modeling for the cost of nothing). 50$ i might be able to deal with, and if i was producing software i was selling 300$ wouldent be bad at all. But dayum, i'm broke right now and doubt i'll be making software for sale lol
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    Ok, don't forget the .NET 2.0 Framework (that includes the compilers), even when its released, is free. It's the Visual Studio .NET IDE that costs money.

    When 2.0 comes out, SharpDevelop will have support for it.

    My point is, I would go with Visual C# 2.0 because at least you'll have chance to learn about all the cool new features.

    By the way,

    Quote Originally Posted by http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2005/mar05/03-21VS2005PR.asp
    Visual Studio 2005 Express editions will be $49.
    The express version (that I gave you the link for) only compiles for one language, but if you're just doing it for a hobby, it has all the features you could really ever need.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeusbwr
    *shudders, 300$ for a hobby?

    I dunno, for 300$ id much rather put it to different use and go with opensource software like this Sharpdevelop and Blender (3d modeling for the cost of nothing). 50$ i might be able to deal with, and if i was producing software i was selling 300$ wouldent be bad at all. But dayum, i'm broke right now and doubt i'll be making software for sale lol
    I sure am happy that i have msdna ( at college ) from where i can download all these things for free .

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    One question referring 1.1 Framework and 2.0, .. well two.


    1.) Do i need anything other than the .NET 1.1 SDK to code and compile it? (Ie, do i need the .NET Framework itself, not 1.1 SDK?)

    2.) Does someone using my software need any .NET Framework? Like is it default with windows, or does someone HAVE to have WinXP Service Pack 2? Or is it just another language that is compiled and run off of things like Win32 API.


    I just want to know what all i, and my users, need to run it (and compile it for me)

    Thanks
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeusbwr
    1.) Do i need anything other than the .NET 1.1 SDK to code and compile it? (Ie, do i need the .NET Framework itself, not 1.1 SDK?)
    Technically, you can compile with just the 20mb framework redistributable download (you don't need the 100mb SDK).

    Quote Originally Posted by Zeusbwr
    2.) Does someone using my software need any .NET Framework? Like is it default with windows, or does someone HAVE to have WinXP Service Pack 2? Or is it just another language that is compiled and run off of things like Win32 API.
    Quote Originally Posted by Microsoft
    The .NET Framework 1.1 Redistributable is supported on the following platforms:


    • Microsoft Windows® Server 2003* (.NET Framework 1.1 is installed as part of the operating system)
    • Windows XP Professional*
    • Windows XP Home Edition
    • Windows 2000*
    • Windows Millennium Edition (Windows Me)
    • Windows 98
    • Microsoft Windows NT® 4.0 Service Pack 6a
    The .NET Framework is not installed with Windows, and must be downloaded seperately. When Windows "Longhorn" ships .NET will be included. It is also included with Windows 2003. Most XP users may already have it installed (it now comes with some programs or motherboards). Also, you can always bundle it on your CD.


    More system requirements here: http://msdn.microsoft.com/netframewo...s/default.aspx
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    When you go to install the SDK, it will look for framework and if it is not present it will ask you to install it. Go figure why Microsoft didn't get a clue and include the framework with the SDK.

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    Technically, you can compile with just the 20mb framework redistributable download (you don't need the 100mb SDK).
    So all i need to download is
    http://msdn.microsoft.com/netframewo...work1_1redist/

    And with that and like SharpDevelop i can make entire C# Programs?

    Please tell me if thats so, and if not, i need the 100Meg SDK right? (the only one labled as SDK..)
    http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...displaylang=en


    But i am going to download the first link i gave..
    http://msdn.microsoft.com/netframewo...work1_1redist/
    and go with Developers..

    Please answer exactly what i need to build and run lol. Because i was under the assumption i needed the SDK to build a C# Application.
    Thanks!
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    That's all you need. The 20MB redistributable and SharpDevelop.

    Download the SDK only if you want the extensive documentation (which is always helpful).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frobozz
    When you go to install the SDK, it will look for framework and if it is not present it will ask you to install it. Go figure why Microsoft didn't get a clue and include the framework with the SDK.
    Because then everyone would say:

    Lolz microsfot r sooo dubm1! wHy did dey forze me to dunlod da 20 magabyet framweokr whan allz i wented was teh SDK?!!!1
    (Ie., not everyone who installs the SDK might actually want to install .NET)

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    man.. i was under the impression i NEEDED the SDK to PROGRAM/COMPILE/WHATEVER C#!

    Which is awesome, that means tomorrow i can install the framework redistrabution, download sharpdevelop, and start learning!

    I'll still download the SDK but since i can code without it, i can take my time and do it over a few more days.


    Damn 56k, lol . *chants to himself, soon i'll be back on cable.. soon..
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    One of .NET great features is "reflection", where your program can create and compile other programs while it is running. To do this, it needs a compiler, and you can't expect all your users to install the SDK. Thats why the redistributables come with the compiler.

    (If you just install the redist, you can use the CSC command (C Sharp Compiler) to compile .cs source files)

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    FYI, .NET 2.0, which greatly extends the Framework, is expected to be released in Fall.

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    k kool

    Hopefully CSharp will head to 2.0, or i might be forced to buy the Visual 2005.

    But i'm an opensource kinda guy, i like helpin the little people hehe (*ponders why he is aiming for a State IT job which is controlled by microsoft.. sheesh.. lol*)


    *edit*
    And oh ya, btw, C# is working Great!

    I'm running 1.1 (because i am still under the impression 2.0 doesent work for SharpDevelop), and ofcourse, #Develop!

    Thanks again all!
    I'll be downloading the 1.1 SDK slowly, mostly so i can get the documentation, and i'll prob go 2.0 Asap once either the full version is released, or #Develop supports it. Whichever comes first.

    Thanks Again!! And expect to hear from me soon, as i'v gotten ahold of a few tutorials and need to ask a few questions regarding new C# features, just to get ahold of the feel of them. (ie Jagged Arrays, Namespace heirarchy(sp?), ect., just stuff thats either new/edited/or i dont remember in C++ lol)

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