Questions about VC++.NET

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    Questions about VC++.NET

    hi,
    I am a visual basic programmer(beginner->intermediate) and I want to start using C++. I've tried various free C++ IDEs(like dev-c++) but I didn't find thisit may seem stupid) a design environment like visual basic has. I've tried Visual C++ Express 2005 Beta 2 and it had this environment but it builds .NET apps. So my (stupid)question does VC++.NET allow you to design(like visual basic does) C++ apps and then build them without using .NET?

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    Hi,

    but I didn't find a design environment like visual basic has
    With C++, there really is no design evironment. You essentially start with a blank page, and then you write all the code in C++ to make your program do what you want. So, to learn C++, you need to buy a beginning C++ book, and then spend a lot of time studying and writing simple programs that do very basic things. You are not going to be producing windows with forms and graphics, you are going to be learning how to display your name in a dos window, or read a file and display some numbers in a dos window.

    A lot of people recommend dev C++, so you have a good compiler.
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    ok i knew that but: when you develop an C++ app and you write code to display a windows form and buttons/textboxes/listboxes/etc on it how do you where everything without actually seeing them drawn? you make quesses? this is what i mean: you write a code for a windows form, a button and a textbox. you want the textbox to be on the left of the form and the button some pixels below it. How do you know the position of each control in order to put in it's code? can you how your app will look before compiling it? ( i hope you understand what i mean)

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    If you want that, there exists a design environment.

    But if you're starting out with C++, there's no reason to do GUI stuff so soon.

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    you said: "there exists a design environment"

    Do you mean in VC++ .NET?
    If yes, can I compile the app without the use of .NET crap?(like dependencies)

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    when you develop an C++ app and you write code to display a windows form and buttons/textboxes/listboxes/etc on it how do you where everything without actually seeing them drawn?
    Doing that is a more advanced form of C++ called "windows programming". You probably need to study C++ for about a year before moving into windows programming.

    My compiler is MS Visual C++ 6.0, and it has a resource editor specificaly designed for arranging buttons, text, textboxes, etc. on the page.

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    ok thanks for your help. One last question:

    do the .NET flavors of Visual Studio let you built C++ apps without using the .NET framework?

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    You don't have to use the .Net framework to build your apps.
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    >For that reason someone invented C++.
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    When you create your projects, choose one of the Win32 projects instead of a .NET project to avoid having the IDE automatically add the .NET framework stuff.

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