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    A few questions...

    1. how do i change the colour of the text in a program
    2. does anyone know any free source code for a 2d mmorpg engine
    3. once you have done all 23 tutorials in the getting started section, can u be considered an expert c++ proggramer or just a very good one.

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    Number 1:
    What kind of program?

    Number 2:
    Blank on this one.

    Number 3:
    When you've done all 23 tutorials, you know that the following functions/ways that the tutorial describe exists.
    It doesn't make you an expert, because can you after having read tutorials make a perfect programmed program with no errors in the first try?
    I bet you can't You'll have to experience with it yourself, keep researching.
    So if I was to say it, I wouldn't even call you a very good one.. No offence.
    -//Marc Poulsen -//MipZhaP

    He sat down, he programmed, he got an error...

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    > 1. how do i change the colour of the text in a program
    That depends on your OS and compiler.

    > 2. does anyone know any free source code for a 2d mmorpg engine
    No idea - I would use google in the first instance.
    Oh look, here it is - http://www.google.com/search?q=sourc...+mmorpg+engine

    > once you have done all 23 tutorials in the getting started section, can u be considered an expert c++ proggramer
    No, you're a newbie who's done 23 tutorials.
    Expertese comes with many months/years of practical use (and more learning of stuff not in tutorials).
    If you dance barefoot on the broken glass of undefined behaviour, you've got to expect the occasional cut.
    If at first you don't succeed, try writing your phone number on the exam paper.
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    um, that doesnt help at all salem. dont u think i tried dat? and i didnt say i did all 23 chapters either. also, heres what i think:
    u do all 23 cchapters and u can officialy call yourself a c++ proggramer thats advanced. it goes begginer/advanced/expert and i beleive if you do them all ur advanced. i have dev c++ and windows xp so how do i change the colour?

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    1. how do i change the colour of the text in a program
    http://www.adrianxw.dk/SoftwareSite/...Consoles4.html
    3. once you have done all 23 tutorials in the getting started section, can u be considered an expert c++ proggramer or just a very good one.
    Neither. You're on your way though. Can you complete these
    http://www.cprogramming.com/helpfree.html
    without any trouble? If so, then call yourself an intermediate if that makes you happy
    Last edited by MadCow257; 02-26-2005 at 07:43 AM.

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    Try writing in English
    I can't read all that "ur" stuff.

    > if you do them all ur advanced.
    Rubbish - You show up for a job interview having just done 23 tutorials, and you'd get eaten alive!
    At best, you're a well-informed newbie.
    If you dance barefoot on the broken glass of undefined behaviour, you've got to expect the occasional cut.
    If at first you don't succeed, try writing your phone number on the exam paper.
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    well sorry salem, but i would really like to know what to learn after it if i want to program online games?

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    3. It looks like those Getting Started tutorials are one page long. So, if you complete 23 of them, you have read 23 pages on C++. I think the book "Learn C++ in 10 Minutes" has more than 23 pages. As a comparison, I have a book called "Ivor Horton's Beginning C++", and it's 900 pages long. I think it is very good book, but it is not easy. If you can work your way through that book, and do all the exercises, then you could consider yourself a beginner who is conversant in the C++ language(i.e. you can talk sensibly about C++ with other programmers). When you finish a book like that and then start reading some of the questions posted on C++ forums, you will realize how vast the language is, and the true experts have spent decades studying and programming for a living. As Salem said, if you went to a job interview after only completing the Getting Started tutorials, you would appear more clownish than the worst singer at the tryouts for American Idol.
    Last edited by 7stud; 02-26-2005 at 08:38 PM.

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    > but i would really like to know what to learn after it if i want to program online games?
    If you intend to attempt this all by yourself, then I think you need some of these.

    Well first of all, you need to get a solid foundation in C++ itself.
    http://planetearthworm.com/cppbooks.php

    Knowing something about at least one graphical API (say OpenGL, LibSDL, DirectX) would probably be a good idea.
    http://www.opengl.org/
    http://www.libsdl.org/index.php

    Since you mentioned online, you at least need to know how to make a network connection
    http://www.ecst.csuchico.edu/~beej/guide/net/
    Useful Links And Good Books

    Read EVERYTHING and lurk on the forums for a good while here perhaps.
    http://www.gamedev.net/
    If you can understand and keep up with (and contribute) with the best of them there, then you might be able to call yourself "expert".

    Then there are things like algorithms and data structures http://www.nist.gov/dads/
    Performance and optimisation http://vision.eng.shu.ac.uk/bala/c/c...imization.html

    Don't forget the whole "Engineering" side of life, like specifications and design, how to plan your work, how to work in (and perhaps manage) a team of developers. The credits for modern games read like movie productions, there are a lot of people involved. Basic people skills are a must.

    If you were after a senior position at a games company, then I'd expect they would be looking for evidence of your skills in pretty much all of those areas.

    If on the other hand, you're just after the very lowest junior position, then some demonstrable C++ knowledge and plenty of enthusiasm could get you in.
    If you dance barefoot on the broken glass of undefined behaviour, you've got to expect the occasional cut.
    If at first you don't succeed, try writing your phone number on the exam paper.
    I support http://www.ukip.org/ as the first necessary step to a free Europe.

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