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    sorry if u see this message on another board too .

    I dont know if it is the right board to sent this question . but
    can anyone tell me plz
    what is the diffrence between (.net) programs and others ( like c++ )??

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    .NET is a runtime environement for .NET programs., which are Windows specific. It's like a set of libraries and virtual machines used to run applications compiled for the .NET framework. If you use other compiler for your C++ code rather than a .NET compliant, your application wont be .NET dependent.

    You can easily download the .NET framework to run .Net applications. To compile them you need the VC .NET toolkit, which is the C/C++ compiler and libraries that come with MS VS .NET, which is also free. Visual Studio isn't.

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    In addition, .NET is a version of the Microsoft Visual C++ compiler and IDE (.NET 2003 = 7.1 I believe). You can write and compile C++ code on it without using any of the .NET extensions mentioned above. In fact, the current .NET C++ compiler is supposed to be pretty good.

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    which are Windows specific
    Wrong. Microsoft/Windows have been the most successful areas of .NET development, but it is actually a specification which is available to others, and there are implementations in the works for other systems. Microsoft is sponsoring an effort called Rotor which is for BSD or Solaris - I can't remember which one. And Mono has been made for Linux. It originally wasn't that good, but with time they've gotten quite close to perfection.

    There are several .NET related questions (C#, too) in the FAQ Board - have a look at them.

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    sorry if u see this message on another board too .
    Don't be sorry. Fix it. Cross-posting is explicitly against forum rules.

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    >>Wrong. Microsoft/Windows have been the most successful areas of .NET
    >>development, but it is actually a specification which is available to others

    from what ive heard only a small subset of the specs are publicly available. If you want to take full advantage to .NET and do anything usefull you have to tie yourself to a single vendor (that vendor being MS of course)

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    blah blah , but it is actually a specification which is available to others, and there are implementations in the works for other systems. Microsoft is sponsoring an effort called Rotor which is for BSD or Solaris - I can't remember which one. And Mono has been made for Linux. more blah
    I would say that .NET is indeed "multiplatofrm" but keep in mind the quotes part. Mono and Rotor are only the run-time execution engines with an extensive (MS) software library - but, there is no development tools for these platforms. And here the debate starts: ofcourse MS will not develop an opensource development tool for .NET because who would spend $xxx amount of dollars for the windows based one.

    As a side note, there was a MS rep at our school today and was distributing free professional copies of VS.NET

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    >>from what ive heard only a small subset of the specs are publicly available. If you want to take full advantage to .NET and do anything usefull you have to tie yourself to a single vendor (that vendor being MS of course)<<

    If I recall well, you work with J2EE Perspective....below are some stats and studies. Granted they are from MS, but they also link to independent ones Either way, if you hate or like MS software, and are in the IT/CS world - YOU WILL USE their software...probably more then any other, might as well get used to it. Plus, .NET is extremely powerful and I love it. Right BMJ?

    http://msdn.microsoft.com/vstudio/java/compare/

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    As a side note, there was a MS rep at our school today and was distributing free professional copies of VS.NET
    Really? I had heard the were cutting back pretty drastically on the free giveaways? They used to give them out if you went to a meeting, but last I heard they would just put your name in the drawing to win one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sean_mackrory
    Really? I had heard the were cutting back pretty drastically on the free giveaways? They used to give them out if you went to a meeting, but last I heard they would just put your name in the drawing to win one.
    yes, really. actually you can get a free copy any time you want in my school as long as you're from the CS department by renting the CDs from the library and burning them for yourself. Each student witha valid student IDnumber obtains a free and unique serial number from MSDN.

    Another option is that you could buy the whole darn thing plus many other titles from MS and others for $15 plus S&H. pretty good deal either way.

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    Me thinks that the.NET framework end-of-user agreement states that .NET apps can't be run on non-Microsoft platforms. But, ironicly, I've also eard that MS was sponsoring a development of the framework for FreeBSD or Unix.. I don't recall.

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    Quote Originally Posted by axon
    If I recall well, you work with J2EE Perspective....below are some stats and studies. Granted they are from MS, but they also link to independent ones
    hehehe, yeah. I actually work on eclipse and will be moving into J2EE tools for eclipse soon. Ive seen a few of the "independant" ( ) studies that MS promotes. (mostly the linux vs windows ones)

    Quote Originally Posted by axon
    Either way, if you hate or like MS software, and are in the IT/CS world - YOU WILL USE their software...probably more then any other, might as well get used to it. Plus, .NET is extremely powerful and I love it. Right BMJ?
    I disagree, J2EE is quite popular and is totaly usable sans-microsoft. I have a friend who works for a major bank company and another friend who works for the government both using J2EE. I also work in software development and our entire company is sans-microsoft. .NET is popular but its not the only choice. Ill take Java over C# anyday

    ROFL, that one is *almost* as good as this one...
    http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserv...s/default.mspx

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    I disagree, J2EE is quite popular and is totaly usable sans-microsoft. I have a friend who works for a major bank company and another friend who works for the government both using J2EE. I also work in software development and our entire company is sans-microsoft. .NET is popular but its not the only choice. Ill take Java over C# anyday
    that is not what I meant...what I wanted to convey is that anyone here will most likely work on MS software sometime in their cs career (be that school or work), not neccessarily .NET; And MS Software will probably be the one they work on the most.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xErath
    Me thinks that the.NET framework end-of-user agreement states that .NET apps can't be run on non-Microsoft platforms. But, ironicly, I've also eard that MS was sponsoring a development of the framework for FreeBSD or Unix.. I don't recall.
    dude, have you read any of the replies?? We covered that already; so instead of just spitting out whatever comes to mind, try at least scanning over the relevat posts. k.thks.bye.

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    The .NET framework is a stupid trend that I was damn sure would have been gone by now when it was introduced a short time ago. Since it didn't die out, I fear it may evolve into an even stupider trend thats even more successful...

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