Beginners, C++ or C#?

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    Wow thanks for such a great response!

    All said, i choose C++. I definitly agree with your points about seeing what goes on under C#.

    And i have some coding understanding, and overall, just the concepts of the few tutorials iv read the concepts in C++ are overall basic (in the beginning ofcourse lol), so im thinking i'll be able to ease myself into it.

    One thing i request howeveris a link to a tutorial on understanding how to code GUI's and communicate through DDE server->client communication. I would like to be able to communicate with mIRC to recode my lovely .. massive MuD allowing me to do a big repetative project lol. But ofcourse i have the hurdles of GUI and DDE which im fully aware of

    Also for later on im thinking of making a client for said MuD and i would need to make a GUI DDE server again to communicate with Flash and mIRC via DDE/XML Sockets (or so im told). I know, sounds like a probject with flash that i may soon abandon, but none the less i would like to try it. The smoothness of Flash would be much easier to create than go through the work of making a gamelike animated client look good and smooth with the collection of nub knowlage i possess lol.

    Anyway, thanks for your replies!

    Oh one last thing, what Compilers do you all use? Please list frontend and backend if possible (ie front: Dev C++ freebie, back: GNU++)
    or ms C++ ect.

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    lol. sorry for raising the c++ pwns , vb is puke debates. I just talked with the school and I think they agreed to extend the c module up to 2 and go to java after that.So that's the end of vb for me because honestly I dont care much about it anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeusbwr
    One thing i request howeveris a link to a tutorial on understanding how to code GUI's and communicate through DDE server->client communication.
    And thus we striketh the problem that hurts newbies that start with C++: it's quite difficult to make GUI or networked apps until you've got quite a bit of C++ knowledge under your belt. Expect to be staring at the boring console for quite some time. :/

    Oh one last thing, what Compilers do you all use? Please list frontend and backend if possible (ie front: Dev C++ freebie, back: GNU++)
    or ms C++ ect. :)
    MSVC++ 7.1 (aka. 2003 .NET)

    If I didn't have that, I'd unhesitantly fall down to Dev-C++ with MinGW. ;)

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    every language has its strong points and it's weak points, and the best thing to do is to learn as many as you can as well as you can.

    personally, I like C++ over every other language, but I know that I'll use VB for a quick GUI app, Java for a quick cross-platform app, and a small batch file for just calling command-line programs...
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    ok, i heard it was ;like pulling teath to make GUI apps in C++ compared to C#, so i guess i'll be in console for a while lol. Bummah :/

    But thanks!

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    C++ all the way !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    ok, i heard it was ;like pulling teath to make GUI apps in C++ compared to C#, so i guess i'll be in console for a while lol. Bummah :/
    Definately it's a phenomenal difference when comparing the original C API with Windows.Forms, but there are many wrappers like OWL and MFC desgiend to make the job easier. I don't have a huge amount of experience with either, but I'm sure if you thought there were enough beneifts in using pure C++, you'd be able to find a C++ wrapper / API that would make it easy enough to be worth it.

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    i dont know enough about either to even comment lol. Im just ganna struggle on and learn what i can Eventually when i get through these tutorials from dif authors im prob ganna invest in a book, then eventually invest in MS VS C++

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    i could be wrong but considering this is
    cprogramming.com that the people here,
    at least a good percentage would be
    a little biased towards c langauages
    then oh say VB, or Java.


    yes i knwo you asked about picking between C++ or C#
    but other people brought up some other languages,
    so i thought id make that comment.


    as for your question, i know nothing of C#, so i do
    not know how difficult it is starting out in it
    but c++ was the first language i started to learn (still am)
    and it can be quite difficult sometimes, specially
    for comming up with projects to work on your skill
    with when you dont know near enough to attempt a GUI
    based program. i do agree with the most the post above
    i think it would help you keep your interest longer and
    help drive you to succeed in c++ if you started with a simplier
    language first. but i would pick c++ over c# to begin with,
    but c# should defienitly be the choice after c++.

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    Well in a way i did start out with a simpler language, if you can call it a language. I relized i liked programming when i started dinkin around with the simplistic mIRC scripting. I'll prob be flammed for even using the word "language" and "mIRC" in the same line, but none the less for lack of a better word it is a language right lol?

    But ya, so far C++ is going alright, i plan on learning DDE communication for my first goals and using C++ to remake my mIRC MuD. Doing all the work while mIRC does basically nothing. Its all text based but this will help me with more of the basic functions and ingraining the C++ concepts in my head from repetative code. Assuming i can do that through the win console, which im assuming i can lol. .. hopefully hehe
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    Quote Originally Posted by C++Child
    If you use Visual Basic, you'll never be able to learn C++
    Hey now, let's not pull out the VB bashing I used VB for about 7 years (DirectX in VB about 3 of those years) and it managed to hold its own for the purposes I needed each time.

    Besides, what's better than getting an assignment in class like "Make a calendar program" and being able to simply "Drag" a calendar into your screen and be done in 5 seconds?

    VB was my starting point for programming, and it eased me into others very nicely (Though C and all it's variations are much different, now that I've moved to DirectX and Object Orientated stuff in C++, for the last two and a half years, the transition wasn't that painful at all)

    Efficiency-wise, C++ is no doubt the way to go for anything involving graphical or mathematical processing.

    The problem with VB is that it comes with a lot of extra stuff that isn't necesserily used, which makes it bulky (imagine C++ without the WIN32_LEAN_AND_MEAN at the top of your program, except, much fatter).

    VB wouldn't pay off unless you thoroughly used it for a long time and got past the ideal that most people associate VB to (drag and drop programming with a baby-like difficulty of use, for baby-like applications). To start out, you'll be happy about the baby-like difficulty, but that isn't to say that the more you learn, it won't get more in-depth and rewarding to have learned what you did until that point. (Though it would take a while).

    But yeah, school, work, and all those places...I doubt you'll find a place that uses VB seriously. Java I hear is similar to C++ and while C++ may be more widely used at the moment than Java, it might not stay like that for long. I would recommend C++ just for the possibilities that arise from it compared to something like VB (which would take much time before possibilities other than VB became available).

    The pay-off from C++ in the short and long run is greater than VBs, yes, but the pay-off from VB can be worth it too.
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    at least a good percentage would be
    a little biased towards c langauages
    then oh say VB, or Java.
    Java's fine. Actually, I view it as sort of a family friend of the C's. VB's fine too, as long as you don't do anything too intense with it.

    >>but c# should defienitly be the choice after c++.
    No, it shouldn't. If you're going after graphical or mathematical processing, as Epo mentioned, go with C++. I also read somewhere, according to a line-by-line performance comparison between the two, C++ ran at about 3 times the speed of C#. In your average point-and-click GUI application, 1/3 the speed may be plenty; but for games or other intensely power-hungry programs, C or C++ will still come out on top.
    [edit]Although, other tests that take optimization into account come out with C++ being not much faster than C#...[/edit]
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    bah hunter, i said, c++ should be his first choice
    i was just saying, after he learns c++, and moves to a new
    langauge that his next choice should be c#

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    I think you're in the wrong message board for that kind of question. This is the board for C++ programming, so you're bound to find many programmers that love C++. I recommend it, cuz I learned it in about a week!

    lol

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    >>that his next choice should be c#
    Oh. Guess I misunderstood...

    >>I recommend it, cuz I learned it in about a week!
    I doubt it. But I know what you mean
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