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    >$Yea $right $gentle $boost $unless $you $talk $like $this.
    I think anyone smart enough to figure out C++ would be able to catch on to scalar notation, don't you?
    p.s. What the alphabet would look like without q and r.

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    Originally posted by Speedy5
    $Yea $right $gentle $boost $unless $you $talk $like $this.
    Just gotta remember all the money you'll be making as a web designer, and you have no problems.
    The word rap as it applies to music is the result of a peculiar phonological rule which has stripped the word of its initial voiceless velar stop.

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    but doesn't php not work on a lot of web servers? i've got my site hosted @ brinkster.com, and i don't think php works there. of course, all i can do in php is hello world, lol.

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    brinkster only offers ASP, but it's a free host and I think it's surprising that they offer any scripting at all.

    Most Apache servers out there have the PHP module installed, as do many IIS servers. Together they provide about 75% of the servers, so the PHP coverage ought to be quite good too. And if your server doesn't have support, it is very easy to add it.

    With jsp it's far harder.

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    www.pagemac.com

    Free unlimted space and bandwidth hosting with scripts upon request (currently ASP, ASP.NET, PHP, Perl), ftp access to the data, subdomain, and subdomain email addresses. No ads either.

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    Originally posted by CornedBee
    Skip the VB class, the language dies
    You could learn C# instead if you want a MS-specific (or nearly so) RAD language.
    Or more on C++, as Brighteyes said you still have much to learn: templates, the standard library...
    CornedBee,

    Is VB really dying? Cos everyone here speaks of VB, and most of them are shows-off, as if they were the only living groups to have learned VB!

    I hate that attitude of not willing to help out newbies, instead they just make you feel like you dont know nuthing!

    Next time around, when they're in the moods to brag abt it, I'll jsut let them know VB is really dying! hehe...

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    wow, i'm glad that many people reply this topic.

    However, now i am learning by myself Visual C++ 6(MFC). But since someone said that it should be better to understand WinAPI before...therefore i may stop it....

    I'm quite good in C++ programming, however i don't know much about web programming.....( i only know the very basic of HTML).

    Therefore, instead to continuing to learn Visual C++(MFC) or java. i may choose HTML, XML, javascript, php etc.

    Am I right? Am i making a right decision?

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    it really depends what you want to program. i'm not very good at programming myself, i've had a year of C++ in school and i also know html/javascript (though i haven't written any javascript in a while). i'd say that javascript is probably the easiest to learn, there's a nice tutorial at http://www.webteacher.com/javascript/index.html and it doesn't require any programming experience at all.

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    Originally posted by davidvoyage200
    wow, i'm glad that many people reply this topic.

    However, now i am learning by myself Visual C++ 6(MFC). But since someone said that it should be better to understand WinAPI before...therefore i may stop it....

    I'm quite good in C++ programming, however i don't know much about web programming.....( i only know the very basic of HTML).

    Therefore, instead to continuing to learn Visual C++(MFC) or java. i may choose HTML, XML, javascript, php etc.

    Am I right? Am i making a right decision?
    Well, first of, don't use VC++ 6. It's older than the 1998 ANSI standards, so it can't even compile legal C++ code; anything that compiles on VC6 isn't even truly C++ anymore. Further, its support of templates, STL, etc. is very poor. And using C++ without using the STL isn't really C++ at all.

    If you're good at pre-1998 C++ but not STL or the more modern C++, pick up "The C++ Standard Library" by Josuttis, the definitive work to get you up to speed on modern C++.

    MFC isn't bad to know, it's incredibly widely used in industry. WinAPI is good to know, too, but the 2 of them complement each other.

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    so what should ppl use? VC++ .net? what do you consider to be "legal C++"?

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    Originally posted by davidvoyage200

    Therefore, instead to continuing to learn Visual C++(MFC) or java. i may choose HTML
    HTML imho does not count as a language. nor does it need to be 'learned'.

    No idea why anyone would want to fill their head with HTML...

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    Originally posted by Zephyr
    it really depends what you want to program. i'm not very good at programming myself, i've had a year of C++ in school and i also know html/javascript (though i haven't written any javascript in a while). i'd say that javascript is probably the easiest to learn, there's a nice tutorial at http://www.webteacher.com/javascript/index.html and it doesn't require any programming experience at all.
    VC++ wasnt written for ANSI C, it was specifically stated by MS that it was made to be loosely based on ANSI... its purely made for windows specific programming

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    anything by MS is modded enough for just windows use.. thats the whole idea, perfect interaction between ALL ms products

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    Originally posted by Zephyr
    so what should ppl use? VC++ .net? what do you consider to be "legal C++"?
    Legal C++ -- that which complies with the ANSI C++ standard of 1998. VC6 doesn't comply at all (it's older than the standard), .NET 2002 complied probably 85%, .NET 2003 complies very well, actually. .NET 2003 is, according to some tests I've seen, the most compliant compiler out there. But there are many compilers which try to be standard, and many are good. I personally use VS.NET because I got a fantastic deal on it, legally, and it's quite a good compiler to boot.

    And it's true that VS works well with Windows programming, but version 2003 is also compliant with C++ standards, and is quite good at it.

    On the flipside, I DON'T think it's up to ANSI standards for C compilers; I don't think it supports C99, but I don't use C anymore, so it's not a big deal to me.
    Last edited by Cat; 06-15-2003 at 10:36 AM.

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    Mmm, tough call. With your situation, I would stick with C++. Keep learning the advanced features of the language. Java will come easy to you after you're really experienced with C++.

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