Help with schools

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    Question Help with schools

    I am currently going to a tech school in the US getting my associates degree in comp programming, but I'm starting to get a little afraid that I won't be learning as much as I could so will definatly want to transfer out to a different school for my bachelors. My question is does anyone know what some good quality schools in the US are for a bachelors in Comp Programming or where to find this information? I'm not necessarily looking for the top notch we-turn-down-99%-of-all-applications type of school, just some quality schools that are looked favorably upon in the workforce that don't baby their students! I've been at this school 4 months and there are still people who can't do a for loop! AND the teachers dumb down the class to cater to them!!! I have nothing against beginners, but after 4 months of being taught loops you should be able to do them!

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    my advice would be based on my own experience. I attended the university of central florida which IS seen as a good computer science school

    School is for that degree only. If you aren't obsessed with programming to the point where you learn the REAL stuff on your own you aren't going to make it anyway. My advice? Finish school where you are. Get that silly slip of paper that gets you hired. LEARN on your own.
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    Thanks for the advice - I wasn't sure how the work force would treat me since I'm doing exactly what you are saying, learning everything on my own and just going to class to get the degree and do my own programs while everyone else struggles with printing messages to the screen. So do employers in general not care what school you go to and honestly take a look at what you actually know?? Anyone else have any feedback on this as well?? This will tremendously help how I view the next 2-3 years of my life!

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    I didn't really mean that it doesn't matter where you go to school. The school name on that little piece of paper does matter to some companies. But many companies want to get a feel for your knowledge in an interview and the degree doesn't help you interview well.

    I would prefer to ignore degrees when hiring programmers. A "test" of sorts would be the best way to judge IMO. But what do I know.
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    also, those people who you say are having trouble printing messages to the screen or handling looping will drop off. You'll see that I'm sure. A lot of people heard that there was money in programming a while back and chose that as their course of study accordingly. Not because of desire.
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    Actually, I don't think they'll drop out because the teachers dumb the class to them, so they think they are actually doing well! What about the difference between an associates and a bachelors for computer programming as far as jobs are concerned?

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    oh bachelors is definitely important. like they say, that slip of paper is all important to some employers.
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    OK, do you or anyone else know where I can found out what the good schools that are looked favorably on in the workforce? I can't seem to find anything with a google search, and US News and Reports only does business/engineering/liberal arts rankings.

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    The school should really have some statistics about their graduates... What percentage get jobs in their field... How long after graduation they get jobs... Average salary, etc. Even if you can't the statistics, the students who are about to graduate should be talking about their job prospects.

    Several years ago, when I couldn't find the info about a private school, I decided to play it safe and enrolled in San Jose State (Business, not Computer Science).

    Also several years ago I saw a story on TV about trade schools that were in business to collect student loan & grant money. Nobody was getting jobs, but the people running the school were getting rich!

    Somewhere, sombody must have the school ratings you are looking for!

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    How about MIT?
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    A study showed that MIT grad's, generally speaking (of course), don't seem to work well within teams, nor do they communicate well in a group environment.

    Individually, they apparently continue to "shine", but seem to prefer working alone rather than part of a project team.

    Perhaps that's not unexpected of high achievers.

    FYB is right. If you can communicate your ideas, and your knowledge, the school you graduate from becomes less important to a lot of employers than what you're capable of contributing and producing.

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