Borland is a JOKE

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    Borland is a JOKE

    This was advertised as a good compiler for "beginners" YEA RIGHT! I have a book and whatever I can find online to teach me the basics. I can't even get passed the damn compiler install. These are "beginner" instructions.


    Getting Started with Borland C++ Free Command Line Tools and Turbo Debugger

    Instructions on how to setup the following Tools in TextPad:

    * Borland C++ free command line tools and turbo debugger.
    * Create a Windows (Win32) Application.
    * Create a Windows (Win32) DLL.
    * Create a DEBUG version of a Windows (Win32) Application.
    * Run a DEBUG version of a Windows (Win32) Application.
    * Create a DEF file named output.def from the code for the DLL you are writing, so you can verify it is the same as the def file you wrote for your DLL.
    * Make sure the file you are modifying is not read-only.

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    To Install Borland's Free Command Line Tools:
    Run freecommandlinetools.exe
    Then, on the root of your c drive,

    1. Add the following to the end of your c:\autoexec.bat

    set path=%path%;c:\Borland\Bcc55

    Then, in your C:\Borland\bcc55\Bin directory,

    1. Create a file called bcc32.cfg file which will set the compiler options for the Include and Lib paths (-I and -L switches to compiler) by adding these lines:
    -I"c:\Borland\Bcc55\include"
    -L"c:\Borland\Bcc55\lib"
    2. Create an ilink32.cfg file which will set the linker option for the Lib path by adding this line:
    -L"c:\Borland\Bcc55\lib"


    Finally, install the turbo debugger to the same location.


    YOU HAVE GOT TO BE JOKING! Can someone either break this down for someone starting out or please just point me in the direction of a REAL BEGINNER compiler program. This is ridiculous and very frustrating for someone just starting out on their own.

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    Microsoft Express Downloads - Visual Studio Express and SQL Server Express
    Microsoft's C/C++ compiler is free to use, it's also a very good compiler.

    Development for Beginners | C++ Beginner's Guide | MSDN
    And hey look, they have a Beginner's C++ programming guide, it's not so bad either. (although lol at the XPS format )

    Also note that I've got nothing against GCC, it got me through college but if you're on Windows, MSVC is just easier for beginners IMHO.
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    Borland's compiler is not so good. The moment is stopped updating was the time it joined the ranks of bad compilers.
    Microsoft's compiler is a very good one (along with the IDE) that's easy to install and use once you're familiar with it. Check back if you have any issues.
    Quote Originally Posted by Adak View Post
    io.h certainly IS included in some modern compilers. It is no longer part of the standard for C, but it is nevertheless, included in the very latest Pelles C versions.
    Quote Originally Posted by Salem View Post
    You mean it's included as a crutch to help ancient programmers limp along without them having to relearn too much.

    Outside of your DOS world, your header file is meaningless.

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    The moment is stopped updating was the time it joined the ranks of bad compilers.
    O_o

    Development has never stopped. The compiler isn't owned or maintained by Borland anymore, but the compiler itself still exist, and it has been updated considerably in the last two years. It has about the same level of conformance as the older version. (It is about the same a Microsoft's Visual C++ 2005 when it comes to C++03 conformance.) The update mostly covers "TR1" and some "C++0x" stuff.

    Not that this matters in this case; the problem the OP is having is because he is a newbie. It doesn't matter if the compiler is the greatest ever if he can't install it.

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    Is that the paid or free version? I believe the free one stopped being updated, or am I misinformed?
    Quote Originally Posted by Adak View Post
    io.h certainly IS included in some modern compilers. It is no longer part of the standard for C, but it is nevertheless, included in the very latest Pelles C versions.
    Quote Originally Posted by Salem View Post
    You mean it's included as a crutch to help ancient programmers limp along without them having to relearn too much.

    Outside of your DOS world, your header file is meaningless.

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    dev c++ is probably your best bet.

    http://www.bloodshed.net/dev/devcpp.html

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    Dev C++ is not a compiler. There are other good IDEs and compilers out there, too.
    Visual Studio and Code::Blocks are two of the most popular IDEs, Visual C++ (comes with Visual Studio) and GCC are two of the most popular compilers.
    Dev C++ is old, no longer maintained. Caution is advised.
    Quote Originally Posted by Adak View Post
    io.h certainly IS included in some modern compilers. It is no longer part of the standard for C, but it is nevertheless, included in the very latest Pelles C versions.
    Quote Originally Posted by Salem View Post
    You mean it's included as a crutch to help ancient programmers limp along without them having to relearn too much.

    Outside of your DOS world, your header file is meaningless.

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    Dev C++ is old, no longer maintained. Caution is advised.
    Truth.

    You are better off with an IDE that has fewer bugs and a more robust source management mechanism.

    If you are just starting, you have no business using a tool that will get in your way.

    Soma

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    Why not try CodeBlocks with its bundled MingW or with a downloaded MingW? It's Open-Source and it has very good features. These days I'm all QtCreator, though.

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    ...and so after sifting through all the alphabet soup it is probably easiest to go download MSVS Express where you get a very good compiler, IDE, and debugger all for free and in one package.

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    Does "Express" actually come with a real debugger these days?

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    There should be no difference between the Express debugger and Professional AFAIK.
    Quote Originally Posted by Adak View Post
    io.h certainly IS included in some modern compilers. It is no longer part of the standard for C, but it is nevertheless, included in the very latest Pelles C versions.
    Quote Originally Posted by Salem View Post
    You mean it's included as a crutch to help ancient programmers limp along without them having to relearn too much.

    Outside of your DOS world, your header file is meaningless.

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