Certification in c. c++

This is a discussion on Certification in c. c++ within the C++ Programming forums, part of the General Programming Boards category; dear Experts, is there any standard certifications exists in c, c++,as that of java like, SCJP(sun certified JavaProfessiona),SCWCD...like this, which ...

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    dear Experts,

    is there any standard certifications exists in c, c++,as that of java like,
    SCJP(sun certified JavaProfessiona),SCWCD...like this, which should be standard certification like this, if yes please tell me.

    thanks in advance.

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    Nope.

    But there's no shortage of people willing to sell you something useless though.

    I mean, if they take your money, give you an online quiz with some multi-choice questions, and then give you a nice PDF 'certificate' in return, then you've been ripped off because no one will value it.
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    Well there's an MCSD, but that's Microsoft specific and these days is probably 90% .NET specific.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cpjust View Post
    Well there's an MCSD, but that's Microsoft specific and these days is probably 90% .NET specific.
    and u get to use ^ and % instead of * and &!

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    In general I find certifications useless. I still get people asking me f I am A+ certified occasionally, I have to explain to them that I have a bachelors degree in electronics engineering and 15 years of programming experience, and no, I dont ask my cardiologist if he has first aid training.
    Until you can build a working general purpose reprogrammable computer out of basic components from radio shack, you are not fit to call yourself a programmer in my presence. This is cwhizard, signing off.

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    Most people I ask seem to think the certificates are useless. Experience and or a relavent college education is usually valued much higher.

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    Yeah, except sometimes you get employers that want more experience than anyone but a time traveller can have. Liek an offer I saw the other day that wanted 10+ years experience with C#, and it was close to an entry level salary. Unless you were on the C# developers team, thats impossible, not that anyone with 10+ year experience in their field would take that job anyway.
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    A lot of jobs that I see seem to reduce the time wanted a great deal if you have a masters. Hmmm an extra 2 years or so worth it? Who knows. Anyways yah it seems experience > all though most of the time. Not to mention last I checked the microsoft certifications were ridiculous in price. There top of the line masters program just came out too which is over 10 grand if I remember right, although it includes hands on training.

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    Well, the problem comes down to jobs that require a $75,000 education and another $25,000 in certifications and only offer $50,000 a year. Ive never lied on a resume before, but I'm getting damned close to doing it. Still waiting for that big opportunity... I keep empathizing with Kim Jong Il in Team America. "Why is everyone so ........ing stupid, why aren't more people intelligent like me..."
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    Where do you live? I hear location has a lot to do with it, Southern California always has, and I guess still is very hot for programming jobs. I've really only worked at one place though as I'm just in the start of my career ><.

    15 years programming, seems like you could definently land a job somewhere big with that kind of time. I know at the company I work for alone that is usually rewareded in the 100, 000 range.

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    St. Louis area, unfortunately not exacly a hotbed of technological innovation (outside of the biotech industry).
    Until you can build a working general purpose reprogrammable computer out of basic components from radio shack, you are not fit to call yourself a programmer in my presence. This is cwhizard, signing off.

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    certification in itself is useless, period.
    The only thing that can be of value is the time and effort spent studying for the exam, and that's not usually apparent from the certificate you get issued because most such exams are easy to pass by kids who just cram for it and don't really understand the material they're supposedly being tested on.
    That's what destroyed utterly the value in the marketplace of the SCJP, MCSE, and MCSD certifications (among others).

    A formal education is (at least in theory, in practice there's still much of that cramming going on) a better gauge for at least someone's theoretical understanding of a subject, but no more.

    HR flunkies however lack the capability to perform technical interviews on candidates and will filter based on those paper qualifications.
    That's why they ask for them despite knowing (often) that they're essentially useless.
    The smart ones will however value experience and an overall balanced resume over a long list of certifications, knowing full well that someone with 6 months of actual experience who also has dozens of certs isn't going to make a valuable addition to the team.

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    Well, the nash equilibrium says to lie on my resume because there is no downside...
    Until you can build a working general purpose reprogrammable computer out of basic components from radio shack, you are not fit to call yourself a programmer in my presence. This is cwhizard, signing off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by abachler View Post
    Well, the nash equilibrium says to lie on my resume because there is no downside...
    unless of course you lose the opportunity when they ask to see it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bling View Post
    unless of course you lose the opportunity when they ask to see it.
    No job has ever asked me for proof of anything except for a list of references.
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