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    You mean gcc in terms of DJGPP. Give the guy a break. He wants a nice IDE.

    Don't rush into Windows programming with VC++. It would be a better idea to build Win32 Console applications in MSVC++6 'introductory version'. This way you can study the definition of 'C' or 'C++'. In a few months MSVC++6 will be dead in terms of Windows programming because there have been so many radical changes that are going to be introducted in Visual Studio.NET. Infact Visual C++ is not the native language of the compiler. Now you will have C# which is a technical marvel to behold.

    Therefore, indeed don't hesitate to purchase the 'introductory version', but don't get the standard edition, nor the professional, nor the enterprise editions.

    As soon as you upgrade your computer to a Microsoft Next Generation operating system such as WinXP, than buy the 'academic edition' of Visual Studio.NET. (see link on my signature)
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    >Now you will have C# which is a technical marvel to behold. <

    Aka what Java was 5 years ago, and still is today. C# is a cheap ass rip off of Java. Deal with it Witchboy, thats the way it is.
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    Cool

    You mean gcc in terms of DJGPP. Give the guy a break. He wants a nice IDE
    Ahem, DJGPP has lots of gread IDEs, r.ex. Rhide.
    I'm however using both Rhide and Borland 5.02 for writing code and DJGPP and make for compiling. Works great.
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    Originally posted by Witch_King
    As soon as you upgrade your computer to a Microsoft Next Generation operating system such as WinXP, than buy the 'academic edition' of Visual Studio.NET. (see link on my signature)
    Would you classify Win2000 Pro (what I use now) as "next generation"? Also, I went to the VS.net link but I don't see a price. About how much does the student version run? I think the normal price is around $1000, right?

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    There is no price for Visual Studio.NET academic version because it is not available yet. One would think that the price would be reasonable, since it will be made for students.

    You can run the Visual Sudio.NET beta 2 on Win2k but you have to download the .NET framework from microsoft.com for it to function properly.

    At this point nobody has WinXP, although I can get a copy. But anyway, it's difficult to say if Win2k will be enough. For example, there will be a version of WinXP professional that runs on I64 technology. Therefore I won't predict if Win2k professional will be enough. In a couple months the answer will be obvious but for now it wouldn't hurt to get the 'introductory version' of Visual C++6

    More information about Visual Studio.NET academic

    http://msdn.microsoft.com/vstudio/ne...y/academic.asp
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    I was sort of joking though...


    Anyway I would certainly make sure what version your buying.




    Obviously you havn't had error messages with


    visual c++'s templates.







    then I type


    void main()


    {


    lala(





    It didn't warn you about void main ?

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    >>onw ould have thought the price to be reasonable as it is for students

    sorry, but when have the words 'Microsoft' and 'reasonable price' ever been used in the same sentence?
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    The Visual C++ 6.0 is pretty good in price

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    I checked out this site
    http://www.provantage.com/FFCPLNG_.HTM I don't
    think the standard vc++ is a optimizing compiler.

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    Even if that were true it does not matter because it should be a 'temporary' compiler. Read my newly updated link in my signature about VS.NET academic. It says that it will be as powerful as the profesional edition of VS.NET which I would interpret to be an optimizing compiler. VC++6 'introductory' version is the safest bet though. I wouln'd invest in the standard version, but even if you did, it's not going to cost a lot of money anyway.
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    std...

    Nick, you web site has it right. The only real difference that i can see between the introductory and standard edition is the full MFC library. You HAD ( "had" because i've yet to read Witch_King's link on the academic version of .NET) to pay out the arse for Microsoft's optimizing compilers.

    I really don't think students need to worry whether or not their compiler optimizes code. They need to really concentrate on writing cleanly and efficiently without the aid of compiler optimization. I really do think VC++ (std or intro) is a great product for Windows programming. Ease of use and rich documentation are big reasons for me.

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    If you can afford the $99 BUY IT. It's a very nice Windows IDE. Class
    browser, debugger, wizards, MFC...

    I work with it every day ( enterprise edition, after all,
    my employer pays it ) and I wouldn't want to use
    another tool for the job.
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    I'm thinking I'll just get the $40 one for class. Thanks for all the replies!

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    well...

    don't listen to Dean about VS.NET. I wouldn't normally tell you to totally disregard someone, but Dean has some strange mentality that C# will be publicly released, and everyone will completely stop doing work on windows with any language. Now how funny is that? pretty funny. I wouldn't change my VC++6 in for VS.NET any time soon. And if I want to play with it, all I need is MSDN magazine and I get the beta for about 6 bucks!

    Yeah, the standard edition is great. It's all I ever really use. Just don't get suckered into MFC and thinking "Duh...I do windows!" It reminds of VB. ugh . Try the API before you even think about polluting yourself with MFC.

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