Name that image process!

abachler · 09-02-2009, 10:44 PM

OK I have a few interestign (at least to me) image processing effects. Lets see if you guys can name the mathematical methods used to generate them

Here is the first one, hint its not a simple negative -

**Bubba** · 09-02-2009, 11:03 PM

Looks like a Sobel filter.

brewbuck · 09-03-2009, 11:32 AM

Well, that looks like the result of an edge filter, probably Sobel or Laplace, applied individually to each color channel. But knowing you, it's probably some weird neural network thing

As far as what those operations actually are, Laplace is a simple convolution with a 3x3 kernel with coefficients [ 1 1 1 ][ 1 -8 1 ][ 1 1 1 ] and Sobel is a magnitude interpolation between a horizontal and vertical gradient approximation kernel, I believe for vertical it is [1 0 -1][-2 0 2][1 0 -1] and for horizontal [1 -2 1][0 0 0][-1 2 -1]

Note that the "Laplace" kernel in image processing is not the true discrete Laplace kernel, as what would be used for physics simulations. That kernel is [0 1 0][1 -4 1][0 1 0]

**Bubba** · 09-03-2009, 05:14 PM

I was taken aback by the posterized nature of the edges. It does seem as if a Sobel or some edge detect was done on the individual channels and then the merged into one image. However if the original photo had sharp color transitions then this could be produced by a simple Sobel filter or some other edge detection process.

So to add to my guess he probably posterized the orgiinal image and then did an edge detect on it. But this question is almost like giving us some arbitrary number and asking us how he arrived at that number.

abachler · 09-04-2009, 05:06 AM

Well you know my contests, I never give you all the info, I like to see how crazy and outrageous people get with that noodle between their ear bones.

Its actually much simpler than a sobel filter, it was actually designed for motion detection.

I did a time lapse historical average, with full storage of the last 100 frames, then I XOR'd it with the current image. Areas that didnt change would have zero values, areas that did change would have non-zero values.

Here is another one -

quzah · 09-09-2009, 07:53 PM

"Here's some random crap I did. Guess what random crap I did." ... doesn't seem like much of a contest.

Quzah.

abachler · 09-19-2009, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by quzah

"Here's some random crap I did. Guess what random crap I did." ... doesn't seem like much of a contest.

Quzah.

Yeah here's some more crap you didn't do, Guess what random crap you didn't do.

SlyMaelstrom · 09-19-2009, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by abachler

Yeah here's some more crap you didn't do, Guess what random crap you didn't do.

I gotta go with Quzah on this one... looks like you're just abstract the fact that you wanted to brag about your project by modestly wrapping a very obscure contest around it. Why you would do this, I don't know... people post their projects all of the time in either the Tech Board forum or the Projects & Job Recruitment forum and they get plenty of attention. Why don't you just make a post like that and tell us about what you did? I'd be interested in knowing about it.

... oh, and throw a shirt on while you're at it.

**Bubba** · 09-19-2009, 09:09 PM

Yeah abachler do you ever wear a shirt? Or are you hoping the ladies might take note on this board? Sorry to tell you but I don't think many frequent this board.

One of those looks like an emboss filter or perhaps a bump map filter.

Sebastiani · 09-19-2009, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Bubba

Yeah abachler do you ever wear a shirt?

Come to think of it, he might not be wearing any pants, either.

abachler · 09-20-2009, 03:04 AM

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Originally Posted by SlyMaelstrom

... oh, and throw a shirt on while you're at it.

NO!!!

If I do that whats next, a demand that I wear pants too?

stevesmithx · 09-20-2009, 03:47 AM

For a second i thought i was seeing jack nicholson.

Sebastiani · 09-20-2009, 04:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by abachler

NO!!!

If I do that whats next, a demand that I wear pants too?

I don't see what a piece of fabric has to do with writing correct programs. It's completely immaterial, really (take that literally, if you like).

Real programmers don't need clothes.

abachler · 09-20-2009, 04:16 AM

Changed it a bit and got better results

Sebastiani · 09-20-2009, 04:21 AM

Wow, big diff. What's the process being used to generate the upper right-hand image? I really don't know a whole lot about what filters do what, so I can't even begin to guess (except that it's some sort of edge-detector). But yeah, whatever you did, it looks a lot better.

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09-02-2009, 11:03 PM	#2
Bubba Super Moderator Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 7,472	Looks like a Sobel filter. __________________ If you aim at everything you will hit something but you won't know what it is.
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09-03-2009, 11:32 AM	#3
brewbuck Senior software engineer Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 5,381	Well, that looks like the result of an edge filter, probably Sobel or Laplace, applied individually to each color channel. But knowing you, it's probably some weird neural network thing As far as what those operations actually are, Laplace is a simple convolution with a 3x3 kernel with coefficients [ 1 1 1 ][ 1 -8 1 ][ 1 1 1 ] and Sobel is a magnitude interpolation between a horizontal and vertical gradient approximation kernel, I believe for vertical it is [1 0 -1][-2 0 2][1 0 -1] and for horizontal [1 -2 1][0 0 0][-1 2 -1] Note that the "Laplace" kernel in image processing is not the true discrete Laplace kernel, as what would be used for physics simulations. That kernel is [0 1 0][1 -4 1][0 1 0] __________________ "Congratulations on your purchase. To begin using your quantum computer, set the power switch to both off and on simultaneously." -- raftpeople@slashdot
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09-03-2009, 05:14 PM	#4
Bubba Super Moderator Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 7,472	I was taken aback by the posterized nature of the edges. It does seem as if a Sobel or some edge detect was done on the individual channels and then the merged into one image. However if the original photo had sharp color transitions then this could be produced by a simple Sobel filter or some other edge detection process. So to add to my guess he probably posterized the orgiinal image and then did an edge detect on it. But this question is almost like giving us some arbitrary number and asking us how he arrived at that number. __________________ If you aim at everything you will hit something but you won't know what it is.
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09-04-2009, 05:06 AM	#5
abachler Rampaging 35 Stone Welsh Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 2,927	Well you know my contests, I never give you all the info, I like to see how crazy and outrageous people get with that noodle between their ear bones. Its actually much simpler than a sobel filter, it was actually designed for motion detection. I did a time lapse historical average, with full storage of the last 100 frames, then I XOR'd it with the current image. Areas that didnt change would have zero values, areas that did change would have non-zero values. Here is another one - Attached Images __________________ He is free, you say. Ah! That is his misfortune… These men… [have] the most terrible, the most imperious of masters, that is, need. … They must therefore find someone to hire them, or die of hunger. Is that to be free? - Simon Linguet Last edited by abachler; 09-04-2009 at 05:19 AM.
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09-09-2009, 07:53 PM	#6
quzah +++ OK NO CARRIER Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 10,262	"Here's some random crap I did. Guess what random crap I did." ... doesn't seem like much of a contest. Quzah. __________________ Hundreds of thousands of dipshits can't be wrong. Are you up for the suck?
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09-19-2009, 09:09 PM	#9
Bubba Super Moderator Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 7,472	Yeah abachler do you ever wear a shirt? Or are you hoping the ladies might take note on this board? Sorry to tell you but I don't think many frequent this board. One of those looks like an emboss filter or perhaps a bump map filter. __________________ If you aim at everything you will hit something but you won't know what it is.
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abachler Rampaging 35 Stone Welsh Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 2,927	Changed it a bit and got better results Attached Images __________________ He is free, you say. Ah! That is his misfortune… These men… [have] the most terrible, the most imperious of masters, that is, need. … They must therefore find someone to hire them, or die of hunger. Is that to be free? - Simon Linguet
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09-20-2009, 04:21 AM	#15
Sebastiani Guest Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 4,923	Wow, big diff. What's the process being used to generate the upper right-hand image? I really don't know a whole lot about what filters do what, so I can't even begin to guess (except that it's some sort of edge-detector). But yeah, whatever you did, it looks a lot better.
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