Thread: Ai

I think 90% people believe in God in one way or the other...the other 5% say they believe God but they don't...the remaining 5% are like GaPe...

Wow! I don't know where you get 90%... anyways...
I (The Unregistered! haha) think that "AI" can be programmed to an extent, but "HI" (human intelligence). It may be possible to have the program make complex decisions, but to mimic "HI" to me seems impossible. Part of our humanity (a lot actually) is based on emotions, and I don't believe anyone can give a program emotions. That is my opinion, lates.

Gape, I feel sorry for you. I don't see how anyone can NOT believe in God. But that is your very right to have your own beliefs. But in forming your opinions, remember to not become too stubborn. (Something you already knew of course...)

Originally posted by Unregistered
Gape, I feel sorry for you. I don't see how anyone can NOT believe in God. But that is your very right to have your own beliefs. But in forming your opinions, remember to not become too stubborn. (Something you already knew of course...)

Maybe becaue the thought of god is a very limiting and unpleasant idea of the world. It's also illogical.

Limiting because if it would be true, we wouldn't have the complete control about our lifes and souls.
Unpleasant because I don't like the idea that we just live to please god and then either go to hell or to heaven. It's even more unpleasant because to please god we have to refuse some things that are the most fun of our lifes.
And illogical because I don't see a point of a life like this. If god created all this world and humans, how can god "test" us? If we suck and god is our creator, than it's god's own goddamn fault!

Personally I rather believe that we are all part of some kind of mental energy, that we create our own existances like we create our dreams, just a little different. Of course the idea is more complex but that was it in short. =)
This idea is less limiting because if we create our existances, we can basically do everything (limitied only by our own believes and rules).
It's more pleasant (to me) because there is no "bad" part in it. This energy never ends (after death for example) and "existing" is always a nice thing, even if our existence is that of a sad life. Think of a moviestar who plays the role of a poor guy in a drama. Although the film has no happy end and many will cry after seeing it, most people will enjoy it, especially those who cried. Just like the moviestar is only "playing" his role and not really affected, I believe that our "true" beeings aren't really affected and that there is no "real" good and bad, that's just part of our physical existances (those we create).
It is also more logical because it actually explains most of our "big questions". It gives a reason for beeing. The reason simply is, that to be is better than not to be. =) It is fascinating and a constantly and neverending process of creation. I honestly believe that the sense and goal of life is to create. We create interesting and phenomenal lifes just we create great movies or songs.

I hope you can understand now, why some people don't believe in god. =) I rather believe in something that makes is at least as "realistic" as the idea of god (it even explains why so many people saw or spoke with god ) _and_ actually is completely positive. It just doesn't make sense that existance should be bad. It doesn't make sense that our death is the end of everything. It doesn't make sense that we are nothing but our physical bodies (which could be completely artificial and according to church, we even ARE artificially created by god ).
Imagine existance as creating and playing in a lot of movies... Sometimes you create bad movies but those are the boring movies, not the evil movies. Evil movies can be the best of all. And if your movie sucks because it was boring, you just try again after it's finished.


I completely agree about the stubborn part! Anyone who believes to know that the believes of someone else are crap, is most probably a dumbhead. Otherwise I want him to explain me some simple question:
- How did "everything" begin. I'm not talking about a big boom that created the universe. I'm talking about where the gases came from that created this boom.
- Why do we "know" that we are, when our bodies can be completely described and rebuild (in theory) as artifical robots. Our bodies would work even without us "knowing" that we are. It's a wicked thought but it's true. We can't explain our "souls".

If you can't answer those simple questions (and I'm not talking about guesses or possibilities but answers), than you know as much or less as everyone else. It's just that some people ignore the fact that there are many parts about life and existance that we just can't explain with our scientific knowledge and others don't.

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Okay, I'm going to tackle two things here. First the point of view on God and then the view on AI (including HI).

First of all I believe there is a God which is the being that "always was" and created the matter in the universe. From here I believe he doesn't interfere and lets us do everything we want to. That is the jist of what I think (hey, if I made it too long you wouldn't read it).

Now, as for a "true AI". I definately think it is possible, but not with current software and hardware. In my opinion everything that we now consider AI is nothing. It only does what it was programed to. An AI will exist only when we program it to learn something, it learns a lot, and then it will become a "true AI" when it rewrites our coding and replaces it comepletly. Once it reaces the point of not being based on our code anymore but still will learn and expand on its own it will be a "true AI".

Do you think, we humans have true AI?

No. Humans have I, but it's not A, hence the A in AI.

And GAPE: Who do you think gave us inteligence? But don't you worry, it'll only seem like an eternity.

if this is going to become an argument thread, please move it to the general board

Evolution from what? Thin air? Had to start somewhere

Originally posted by Zeeshan
Let's say, someone makes an emulator for running the program which is inside of the human brain on Windows 98...wouldn't the program be a true AI ?

ummm.... just to let you know it would crash