Thread: Portable, simple text-based graphics C library or stuff?

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    I defy you to name one programming language that can only be compiled or one language that can only be interpreted.
    There aren't any -- that's my point.

    And I would expect people to actually read up on the common definition of terms they use, rather than get into a debate on the meaning.
    If you want to think that "a language which is commonly compiled" has the same meaning as "a compiled language" because you looked it up somewhere, then you can go ahead, but you're still going to confuse people when you describe programming languages like that. The only reasonable thing to do is avoid describing languages like that, because all it does is confuse people by mixing an implementation detail with the language.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barney McGrew View Post
    If you want to think that "a language which is commonly compiled" has the same meaning as "a compiled language" because you looked it up somewhere, then you can go ahead, but you're still going to confuse people when you describe programming languages like that. The only reasonable thing to do is avoid describing languages like that, because all it does is confuse people by mixing an implementation detail with the language.
    why do you feel the need to argue such minor points in every discussion in which you decide to involve yourself? you seem to feed on disagreement and pointless semantic arguments that contribute nothing useful to the conversation. who the hell cares if "compiled language" and "language that is commonly compiled" have slightly different technical meanings? there's also such things as expressions and figurative language. if I say C is a compiled language, people know what I mean. if I say Python is an interpreted or scripting language, people know what I mean. your concentration on such trivial things is counterproductive and inhibits the learning process. this site exists exclusively to help people who are trying to learn, and you are impeding that mission.
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    why do you feel the need to argue such minor points in every discussion in which you decide to involve yourself?
    I put forth different ideas and, when they're challenged, I back them up. But that's not all I do on this board.

    if I say C is a compiled language, people know what I mean. if I say Python is an interpreted or scripting language, people know what I mean.
    Thanks for missing my point and contributing to more sloppy thinking. ^_^

    your concentration on such trivial things is counterproductive and inhibits the learning process.
    Have you thought that maybe they're only trivial to you because you haven't invested any effort in considering them?

    this site exists exclusively to help people who are trying to learn, and you are impeding that mission.
    How?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barney McGrew View Post
    I put forth different ideas and, when they're challenged, I back them up. But that's not all I do on this board.
    but my experience with your "different ideas" has been largely negative. you tend to argue points unrelated to the actual topic, simply for the sake of argument.

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    Thanks for missing my point and contributing to more sloppy thinking. ^_^
    and you missed mine. the fact that there is a difference is not in question. you're making more of an issue out of the difference than it deserves.

    it's not sloppy if I actually understand the difference.

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    Have you thought that maybe they're only trivial to you because you haven't invested any effort in considering them?
    what makes you think I haven't? you're making a big assumption with no basis in fact.

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    How?
    by distracting from the actual topic of discussion, which is exactly what you did in this thread, and several others.

    I'm done. arguing with you isn't worth the effort.
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    it's not sloppy if I actually understand the difference.
    It is, because instead of thinking that the language is completely separate from the implementation, people who read it will be led to think otherwise. This is why I think you've missed my point. It's not about simply saying "X is a commonly compiled language" instead of "X is a compiled language", it's about how grouping languages as either "compiled" and "interpreted" is misleading in the first place -- C and Python shouldn't be put into either of those categories. It just doesn't make sense to categorise languages like that, but it makes perfect sense to differentiate compilers and interpreters.

    by distracting from the actual topic of discussion, which is exactly what you did in this thread, and several others.
    The thread was basically over anyway. Do you see the OP complaining because nobody's helping him? Nope, he's working on his library. If he has any trouble, I'm sure he'll ask here, and I'm just as sure that someone will help him out. I'm not getting in the way of that.

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    So, I haven't read too much of this thread but the OP should totally consider sticking with SDL, in my opinion.

    SDL is actually really, really easy to use. Granted, I tried using Allegro first which is waaaaaay dumber and wouldn't work for me but SDL works perfectly and simply.

    Also OP, look at this link : Lazy Foo' Productions

    SDL really is that easy

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barney McGrew View Post
    If you want to think that "a language which is commonly compiled" has the same meaning as "a compiled language" because you looked it up somewhere, then you can go ahead, but you're still going to confuse people when you describe programming languages like that. The only reasonable thing to do is avoid describing languages like that, because all it does is confuse people by mixing an implementation detail with the language.
    You arrogant shyte.

    You're the one who chose to argue the semantics of the term "compiled language" when the OP made a comment which used that term.

    All I did was point out that the the common meaning of that term - in computer science literature - is a language that is typically implemented using a compiler. In other words, I was pointing out that any reasonable person would understand the meaning of the OP - as opposed to someone like you who is interested in sowing confusion, as Elkvis has pointed out (I've just had a quick look at your recent post history, and agree with Elkvis that you are more interested in causing argument than in helping).

    All native speakers of any natural language - like english - know that there are ambiguities and imprecise expressions that are in common usage. Some of those carry across into professional or technical discussions. Reasonable people - unlike you - work within those ambiguities.

    Welcome to my ignore list. I do that both to increase the signal to noise ratio of what I read (I will not even see your posts, by default) and to avoid being drawn further into useless debate.
    Right 98% of the time, and don't care about the other 3%.

    If I seem grumpy or unhelpful in reply to you, or tell you you need to demonstrate more effort before you can expect help, it is likely you deserve it. Suck it up, Buttercup, and read this, this, and this before posting again.

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    You arrogant shyte.
    Poopoopoo. Peepeepee.

    You're the one who chose to argue the semantics of the term "compiled language" when the OP made a comment which used that term.
    It's not like I was advocating the use of the term. Quite the opposite.

    Welcome to my ignore list.
    Thanks man. I'll be sure to enjoy my stay. ^_^

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