Vista design being forced on XP?

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    Pic looks nice. I don't think it takes up too much of the screen at all, unless you are using a very low resolution.
    The ribbon isn't inheritably bad, of course, but removing the menus and replacing them with a ribbon is just stupid. This we all agree on.
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    io.h certainly IS included in some modern compilers. It is no longer part of the standard for C, but it is nevertheless, included in the very latest Pelles C versions.
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    You mean it's included as a crutch to help ancient programmers limp along without them having to relearn too much.

    Outside of your DOS world, your header file is meaningless.

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    Is that what they call it, 'Ribbon' I tried to use IE for the first time in a couple years at a friends house and was completely confused. I couldn't find any of the buttons I wanted. At least not right away.

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    Indeed... they hid the menu by default. You can still access it, however, thankfully.
    Quote Originally Posted by Adak View Post
    io.h certainly IS included in some modern compilers. It is no longer part of the standard for C, but it is nevertheless, included in the very latest Pelles C versions.
    Quote Originally Posted by Salem View Post
    You mean it's included as a crutch to help ancient programmers limp along without them having to relearn too much.

    Outside of your DOS world, your header file is meaningless.

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    Sent Nitro PDF an email thanking them for the opportunity to try out their product and stating why I wouldn't ever buy it. Suggested also they use skinable interfaces if they want to provide users with ... read it with a flourish... new visual experiences.
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    The programmer comes home with 12 loaves of bread.


    Originally Posted by brewbuck:
    Reimplementing a large system in another language to get a 25% performance boost is nonsense. It would be cheaper to just get a computer which is 25% faster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mario F. View Post
    Absolutely. It's just incredible how you are forced to change your habits every 5 years because the company said so. They try to develop, they say, user friendliness. But then force you to relearn the operating system every new version. Whatever.
    Sometimes I'm wondering about the direction Microsoft is going in. I mean i've been seeing it more recently because I'm "wired" into the system, having dealt with their OS's and having a 360 (great system, and less inhibited by their implementation upgrades as vista is). It seems like everything that should be "transparent" and intuitive,ends up being bloated and slow and where is MS when you need them...spend 30 bucks to get an e-mail through to them or have their Customer Support:india on the line to help you.

    But that's a whole different issue.

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    hellu, this is rashmna abetaziir huw may i helhp you?
    The programmer’s wife tells him: “Run to the store and pick up a loaf of bread. If they have eggs, get a dozen.”
    The programmer comes home with 12 loaves of bread.


    Originally Posted by brewbuck:
    Reimplementing a large system in another language to get a 25% performance boost is nonsense. It would be cheaper to just get a computer which is 25% faster.

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    more like *in obvious indian accent* "Hello, this is Carlson, how may I help you"...Did you ever see that 60 minutes coverage of how they teach overseas workers how to sound "More american", it's creepy.

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    "Sir, I don't understand you. Can you speak indian, please?"
    Heh. It's bad enough about the failing hardware, but they redirect their support outside the country to those who apparently has no skill in english, as well.
    Quote Originally Posted by Adak View Post
    io.h certainly IS included in some modern compilers. It is no longer part of the standard for C, but it is nevertheless, included in the very latest Pelles C versions.
    Quote Originally Posted by Salem View Post
    You mean it's included as a crutch to help ancient programmers limp along without them having to relearn too much.

    Outside of your DOS world, your header file is meaningless.

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    >> - Where is the closest Linux distro?

    Depends on what you need. I'd recommend reading this:

    http://www.linux.org/info/wanttouse.html

    As for what you actually get, well I have a number of CDs that have Fedora Core on them thanks to a lot of books. I'm big on companies sending me CDs, or getting them so I can avoid downloading it. That's the method I would recommend. But if you have the internet for it you can download what you need right off of www.linux.org

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    Thanks for the info, citizen. What I also need is a good fat book that helps me with the transition.

    Many years ago I had a S.U.S.E. distro, while they were still a german company and SUSE was in the mouth of everyone. I also used back then a Mandrake distro. I did get far in my learning of the OS until work forced me back into windows. I forgot everything I learned.
    The programmer’s wife tells him: “Run to the store and pick up a loaf of bread. If they have eggs, get a dozen.”
    The programmer comes home with 12 loaves of bread.


    Originally Posted by brewbuck:
    Reimplementing a large system in another language to get a 25% performance boost is nonsense. It would be cheaper to just get a computer which is 25% faster.

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    Ubuntu is a pretty good distro when it comes to hand holding and online documentation, so with that perhaps you would not need a (hardcopy) book.
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    Got Slack?

    The overall problem as I see it is this: Too many people are banking on the philosophy of "memory is free and processing power is unlimited" which I was hearing 15 years ago while in school. I disagreed with this philosophy then and do now as well. Code should be compact as possible, use as little memory as possible and run as fast as possible on EVERY machine. But, alas, not everyone shares my beliefs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kennedy View Post
    But, alas, not everyone shares my beliefs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kennedy View Post
    Got Slack?

    The overall problem as I see it is this: Too many people are banking on the philosophy of "memory is free and processing power is unlimited" which I was hearing 15 years ago while in school. I disagreed with this philosophy then and do now as well. Code should be compact as possible, use as little memory as possible and run as fast as possible on EVERY machine. But, alas, not everyone shares my beliefs.
    This is true, but it doesn't mean we should sacrifice everything for it. I will take a fast program over a bloated one every day, but I would still not miss a program that is pretty and fast. Memory, in general, means little to me, since I have plenty. But programs still shouldn't just waste it.
    Quote Originally Posted by Adak View Post
    io.h certainly IS included in some modern compilers. It is no longer part of the standard for C, but it is nevertheless, included in the very latest Pelles C versions.
    Quote Originally Posted by Salem View Post
    You mean it's included as a crutch to help ancient programmers limp along without them having to relearn too much.

    Outside of your DOS world, your header file is meaningless.

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    Guys, I don't mean make it ugly and something that works. . . on the contrary, I mean make it pretty, but use the "standard" libraries of the system and don't get all cutesified for the sake of being pretty. There is a happy median.

    I have this argument with my wife all the time: Give me something practical over something that looks nice. I mean, yes a smaller toilet is really nice looking in the bathroom (in that it takes up less space and makes the room look bigger), but if one cannot fit one's butt on it, what good is it?

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