Gender and Language

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elysia View Post
    Because I only quoted what actually posted without modifying, and
    Yeah, quoted without objection

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    yes, master sounds better than mistress.
    Then he should sound better then she?
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    vart, it's obviously because he likes the attention he's getting, but doesn't want to say it or else he'll stop getting it. Which is why he keeps making a big deal about gender-neutrality... something about being called a she all the time just doesn't seem right.

    imho though, master is gender-inspecific.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elysia View Post
    But some may interpret it as gender specific since he also would refer to the male gender. Which would be the whole point to avoid it altogether.
    This is becoming ridiculous. If you have a problem with that, say so! But stop pretending you know when others might be offended. And definitely don't bring an issue where this is none.

    Don't put yourself in anyone's shoes because I can guarantee you almost anyone thinks like you do. You are hopeless!
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    Originally Posted by brewbuck:
    Reimplementing a large system in another language to get a 25% performance boost is nonsense. It would be cheaper to just get a computer which is 25% faster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wraithan View Post
    I say bag it all, call me whatever strikes your fancy, the great thing about human language is the main point is the communication. If both parties can figure out what each other means, then they are successfully using language. So what if someone may end up getting called a he or she or an it or whatever they are or aren't. If you take offense to that you don't pass the test to use the internet.
    On the contrary I say. You have a right to be wanted to be called a specific gender and not liking to be called simply "he" doesn't mean you don't pass the test to be on the Internet. That's ... isn't that discrimination?

    Quote Originally Posted by vart View Post
    Then he should sound better then she?
    No, of course not. He is for males, she is for females, they are for neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by robwhit View Post
    vart, it's obviously because he likes the attention he's getting, but doesn't want to say it or else he'll stop getting it. Which is why he keeps making a big deal about gender-neutrality... something about being called a she all the time just doesn't seem right.
    I respond at your ideals because I challenge them. I believe in full use of gender neutrality and not pseudo-neutral "he."

    imho though, master is gender-inspecific.
    I agree.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mario F. View Post
    This is becoming ridiculous. If you have a problem with that, say so! But stop pretending you know when others might be offended. And definitely don't bring an issue where this is none.

    Don't put yourself in anyone's shoes because I can guarantee you almost anyone thinks like you do. You are hopeless!
    Ah, but I am in that someone's shoes. In a way, at the very least.
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    io.h certainly IS included in some modern compilers. It is no longer part of the standard for C, but it is nevertheless, included in the very latest Pelles C versions.
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    You mean it's included as a crutch to help ancient programmers limp along without them having to relearn too much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elysia View Post
    so it should be avoided, because people can take offense from it.
    correction, only some people take offence, and you can always find someone that will take offence at anything, so drop it or stop speaking, lest you offend someone.

    But of course now you see the fallacy of modifying your speech patterns to suit others. Some people are just imminently offendable, therefore we should take no notice of their offence, as it is just a natural part of their personality and no manner of response will asauge it.

    This conversation reminds me of an old boss of mine who got red in the face mad because I called it a 'motherboard' and he got ........ed because he thought i was inferrign that computers are alive. His counter argument was 'so what, do you call the boards that plug into it daughter boards', when I answered yes, he didnt know quite what to say for about a week. It just goes to show you that some people are so out of touch with reality that they have to make up reasons to believe that everyone else is somehow 'wrong'.

    Honestly, this is turnign into elysia's personal RANT THAT NEVER ENDS, someone please close this thread as everythign productive that can be said, has been.
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    Reminds me of a woman once telling she resented a male defending women's rights. As if she needed any male's help.
    The programmer’s wife tells him: “Run to the store and pick up a loaf of bread. If they have eggs, get a dozen.”
    The programmer comes home with 12 loaves of bread.


    Originally Posted by brewbuck:
    Reimplementing a large system in another language to get a 25% performance boost is nonsense. It would be cheaper to just get a computer which is 25% faster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mario F. View Post
    Reminds me of a woman once telling she resented a male defending women's rights. As if she needed any male's help.
    How do you know when a feminist needs to get laid?

    Her lips are moving...

    :duck:
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    Anyway, I've been on the internet for ... I have no idea anymore... and never once I saw someone being offended because someone else misplaced their gender.

    It sure can happen. But I'll be at the front laughing at the offended one.
    The programmer’s wife tells him: “Run to the store and pick up a loaf of bread. If they have eggs, get a dozen.”
    The programmer comes home with 12 loaves of bread.


    Originally Posted by brewbuck:
    Reimplementing a large system in another language to get a 25% performance boost is nonsense. It would be cheaper to just get a computer which is 25% faster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by abachler View Post
    How do you know when a feminist needs to get laid?

    Her lips are moving...

    :duck:
    Are we trying to discriminate people or their gender now?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mario F. View Post
    Anyway, I've been on the internet for ... I have no idea anymore... and never once I saw someone being offended because someone else misplaced their gender.

    It sure can happen. But I'll be at the front laughing at the offended one.
    It happened once right here on cboard. I witnessed it actually.
    Quote Originally Posted by Adak View Post
    io.h certainly IS included in some modern compilers. It is no longer part of the standard for C, but it is nevertheless, included in the very latest Pelles C versions.
    Quote Originally Posted by Salem View Post
    You mean it's included as a crutch to help ancient programmers limp along without them having to relearn too much.

    Outside of your DOS world, your header file is meaningless.
    For information on how to enable C++11 on your compiler, look here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by abachler View Post
    How do you know when a feminist needs to get laid?

    Her lips are moving...

    :duck:
    How do you fix a woman's watch? You don't...there's a clock on the oven!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neo1 View Post
    How do you fix a woman's watch? You don't...there's a clock on the oven!

    <.<
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    IMO, "he" is the default, and should be used as such.
    Think about it, I have never heard the phrase "woman kind" have you?
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    What do you tell a woman with a black eye?

    Don't make me tell you again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yarin View Post
    Think about it, I have never heard the phrase "woman kind" have you?
    No, and I don't like "mankind" either. If such, better use "humankind," which is much better, but not perfect.
    Quote Originally Posted by Adak View Post
    io.h certainly IS included in some modern compilers. It is no longer part of the standard for C, but it is nevertheless, included in the very latest Pelles C versions.
    Quote Originally Posted by Salem View Post
    You mean it's included as a crutch to help ancient programmers limp along without them having to relearn too much.

    Outside of your DOS world, your header file is meaningless.
    For information on how to enable C++11 on your compiler, look here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elysia View Post
    No, and I don't like "mankind" either. If such, better use "humankind," which is much better, but not perfect.
    huwomankind?
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