Gender and Language

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    Come on Elysia, you could be changing the world. Why argue with me some more? I'm a nobody.

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    Yeah, right.
    You always seem to pessimistic.
    Quote Originally Posted by Adak View Post
    io.h certainly IS included in some modern compilers. It is no longer part of the standard for C, but it is nevertheless, included in the very latest Pelles C versions.
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    You mean it's included as a crutch to help ancient programmers limp along without them having to relearn too much.

    Outside of your DOS world, your header file is meaningless.

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    This thread was moved from sobieski19's error C2106: '=' : left operand must be l-value thread in the C programming board.

    The quote from the first post in this thread is from Elysia.
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    There are many ways of addressing a person when don't know their gender. A new word is not one of them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cpjust View Post
    That's why we need to add a new pro-noun to English to mean he or she but in a gender neutral way.
    I use (s)he.
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    Do any other languages have a word for 'he or she'?
    Estonian doesn't. We don't have gender-specific words. We don't have future forms. We even have near to 0 prepositions! Sounds simple ? But we have LOTS of suffixes which are difficult to form.
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    We do have gender-specific words in French. In fact, every thing has a gender in French, even a table or a book.

    Standard Mandarin has also gender-specific pronoun, but only when written.

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    I believe the pronoun he is gender neutral, IIRC the masculine singular pronoun from old english became deprecated in favor of the neutral form, whereas the feminine did not.

    Feminazis are always complaining about something they know nothing about because they can't get laid.

    There now THAT is sexist, the use of HE as a gender neutral term is NOT. So like grow up and read a book.
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    IIRC the masculine singular pronoun from old english became deprecated in favor of the neutral form
    What was this "masculine singular pronoun from old english"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elysia View Post
    Does that mean you endorse the use of "he" for all?
    Sure, why not. I'm also fine with "she" for all. Just... I ask that you don't do it in a feminine rebellious attitude sort of way. That's just annoying.

    edit: I'm not implying that you do that.
    Last edited by robwhit; 02-08-2008 at 10:37 AM.

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    Yay, its always been my dream to be a hot slutty tramp. Oops, was that out loud?
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    Quote Originally Posted by abachler View Post
    There now THAT is sexist, the use of HE as a gender neutral term is NOT. So like grow up and read a book.
    I think you have a dangerous attitude there. Some people do not agree, my included. What is right is right.
    Calling she a he is not right and calling a he she is not right, and therefore using the masculine pronoun he for all is not right.
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    io.h certainly IS included in some modern compilers. It is no longer part of the standard for C, but it is nevertheless, included in the very latest Pelles C versions.
    Quote Originally Posted by Salem View Post
    You mean it's included as a crutch to help ancient programmers limp along without them having to relearn too much.

    Outside of your DOS world, your header file is meaningless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elysia View Post
    I think you have a dangerous attitude there. Some people do not agree, my included. What is right is right.
    Calling she a he is not right and calling a he she is not right, and therefore using the masculine pronoun he for all is not right.
    Except that what you are failing to accept is that the pronoun 'he' IS the neuter form. It IS appropriate to use the neuter term when the sex of the object or person is irrelevant(object) or unknown(person). Despite their similar spelling the masculine he (He is only a boy.) and the neuter he/his (The thief was very skilled, he left no evidence of his identity) are grammatically seperate words.
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    Some people do not agree, my included. What is right is right.
    Calling she a he is not right and calling a he she is not right, and therefore using the masculine pronoun he for all is not right.
    Traditionally, "he" is both a masculine pronoun and an indefinite (and thus gender neutral) pronoun.

    What you are saying is that using "he" to refer to a female is not right. I agree, but here "he" refers to a person of unspecified gender. In this context of an indefinite pronoun, "he" does not specifically refer to a male either.

    This is word overloading, so to speak.
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    Quote Originally Posted by abachler View Post
    Except that what you are failing to accept is that the pronoun 'he' IS the neuter form. It IS appropriate to use the neuter term when the sex of the object or person is irrelevant(object) or unknown(person).
    Quote Originally Posted by laserlight View Post
    What you are saying is that using "he" to refer to a female is not right. I agree, but here "he" refers to a person of unspecified gender. In this context of an indefinite pronoun, "he" does not specifically refer to a male either.
    But that is up to definition. Many places, for example, avoid using "he" for example because it would refer to males only and not females. So whether or not it's defined as a neutral word, it's not always seen as one, so it should be avoided, because people can take offense from it.
    Quote Originally Posted by Adak View Post
    io.h certainly IS included in some modern compilers. It is no longer part of the standard for C, but it is nevertheless, included in the very latest Pelles C versions.
    Quote Originally Posted by Salem View Post
    You mean it's included as a crutch to help ancient programmers limp along without them having to relearn too much.

    Outside of your DOS world, your header file is meaningless.

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    Actually, it is pretty much always seen as one, seeing as it's a basic part of the language and so everybody knows about it.

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