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    Yes, that is quite a serious bug for a GUI application. But I've seen that bug in quite many different programs, so it's not only Adobe doing such mistakes.

    Personally I haven't even see what Dreamweaver looks like or what it can do exactly. I don't see the use of such programs because web programming is generally quite easy.
    Last edited by maxorator; 02-03-2008 at 07:03 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elysia View Post
    But another "bug" is that Adobe Dreamweaver CS3 eats 50% CPU all the time it's active. All the time. And for no reason either. Even if it's just idle, it eats 50% CPU. One full core.
    http://www.hostingforum.ca/479622-dw...cpu-usage.html

    It's a bug? Probably yes. And yet, do you really think it will change Dreamweaver's position as one of the leading website development software?

    This program increases productivity exponentially when compared to many other tools in the market, it offers unparalleled functionality and user support is quiet good, considering today's standards. If it is a bug, it will be solved.

    Rest assured they aren't there after you. They are after your money. That alone speaks a ton about what you can expect. You can expect what you have been getting for the past years - some bumps here and there, but a steady flow of innovativeness, high quality and productive software.

    Learn to deal with bugs. As annoying and improbable as they may be. They are here to stay whether we like it or not. Until the day a completely new computer architecture is designed and the programming languages to go with it.
    The programmer’s wife tells him: “Run to the store and pick up a loaf of bread. If they have eggs, get a dozen.”
    The programmer comes home with 12 loaves of bread.


    Originally Posted by brewbuck:
    Reimplementing a large system in another language to get a 25% performance boost is nonsense. It would be cheaper to just get a computer which is 25% faster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maxorator View Post
    Yes, that is quite a serious bug for a GUI application. But I've seen that bug in quite many different programs, so it's not only Adobe doing such mistakes.
    Indeed not, but Adobe is one of them who produces buggy software. Just like Microsoft.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mario F. View Post
    http://www.hostingforum.ca/479622-dw...cpu-usage.html

    It's a bug? Probably yes. And yet, do you really think it will change Dreamweaver's position as one of the leading website development software?
    That's beside the point.
    The point was that Adobe made buggy software.
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    io.h certainly IS included in some modern compilers. It is no longer part of the standard for C, but it is nevertheless, included in the very latest Pelles C versions.
    Quote Originally Posted by Salem View Post
    You mean it's included as a crutch to help ancient programmers limp along without them having to relearn too much.

    Outside of your DOS world, your header file is meaningless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elysia View Post
    Indeed not, but Adobe is one of them who produces buggy software. Just like Microsoft.
    That's the attitude I hate. Name me at least ONE company which has never released any buggy software and has done projects as big as Dreamweaver, Photoshop, or Windows. There are no such companies. Your attitude is just ignorant and hostile.
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    Nonsense. Paint Shop Pro is notoriously stable, for one.
    Quote Originally Posted by Adak View Post
    io.h certainly IS included in some modern compilers. It is no longer part of the standard for C, but it is nevertheless, included in the very latest Pelles C versions.
    Quote Originally Posted by Salem View Post
    You mean it's included as a crutch to help ancient programmers limp along without them having to relearn too much.

    Outside of your DOS world, your header file is meaningless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elysia View Post
    Nonsense. Paint Shop Pro is notoriously stable, for one.
    Then why does it once in a while release bug fix versions if it is so 100&#37; bug-free?
    Quote Originally Posted by Wikipedia
    Unreliability and instability

    Version XI, in its launch version of 11.00, was criticised for the number of bugs and also for the 'Organizer' function's high CPU usage. Some of the issues were addressed in the patch to version 11.11 but the Organizer continued to attract criticism. It remains problematic when working with large picture collections.
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    I haven't worked much with it, so I can't make a comment there, but that just proves that there are big softwares that are stable.
    Quote Originally Posted by Adak View Post
    io.h certainly IS included in some modern compilers. It is no longer part of the standard for C, but it is nevertheless, included in the very latest Pelles C versions.
    Quote Originally Posted by Salem View Post
    You mean it's included as a crutch to help ancient programmers limp along without them having to relearn too much.

    Outside of your DOS world, your header file is meaningless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elysia View Post
    I haven't worked much with it, so I can't make a comment there, but that just proves that there are big softwares that are stable.
    There have certainly been bugs in Photoshop, but they have been fixed by now. That's why you should almost never criticize first releases.

    Read my last post to see what Wikipedia says about Paint Shop Pro.
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    What would you like to happen Elysia? Tell us what do you think would be best? Sure you don't ask for bug free releases from here on, do you?

    And, btw, as a software developer what would you do if you were in their shoes?
    And as a team manager?
    And as a project manager?
    And as a CEO?
    And as a share holder?
    The programmer’s wife tells him: “Run to the store and pick up a loaf of bread. If they have eggs, get a dozen.”
    The programmer comes home with 12 loaves of bread.


    Originally Posted by brewbuck:
    Reimplementing a large system in another language to get a 25% performance boost is nonsense. It would be cheaper to just get a computer which is 25% faster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maxorator View Post
    Read my last post to see what Wikipedia says about Paint Shop Pro.
    I've never quite used those "useless" functions. I use it for photo editing and for that it works great.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mario F. View Post
    What would you like to happen Elysia? Tell us what do you think would be best? Sure you don't ask for bug free releases from here on, do you?
    What I would ask is that they slow down a little developing new features and iron out some bugs. I expect there may be bugs, especially when new features are added, but if they are painfully obvious and remain for 3+ versions, then it's bad. Now that is unacceptable, if you ask me.

    Look at Mozilla. They are far behind the schedule or FF3, so they've stopped adding new features and focused on ironing out critical bugs. They'll probably release more patch versions to fix more bugs, as well. Now that's how it should be!
    Quote Originally Posted by Adak View Post
    io.h certainly IS included in some modern compilers. It is no longer part of the standard for C, but it is nevertheless, included in the very latest Pelles C versions.
    Quote Originally Posted by Salem View Post
    You mean it's included as a crutch to help ancient programmers limp along without them having to relearn too much.

    Outside of your DOS world, your header file is meaningless.

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    mozilla is free software. most of this software is not. Decisions sometimes (most times) are made at the highest levels. Share holders level. People who want results and see those results most of the time even if bugs plague the software.

    You simply cannot ask a company like microsoft to stop production on its tracks because a serious bug was found. Serious has an whole different meaning to share holders and other corporate types, than it has to you. If it can be fixed later and that means meanwhile only... say... 7&#37; of the user base will be displeased, you betcha chances are it will be fixed later.

    Such are the rules. They are the same as for toilet seats, shampoo and movies.
    The programmer’s wife tells him: “Run to the store and pick up a loaf of bread. If they have eggs, get a dozen.”
    The programmer comes home with 12 loaves of bread.


    Originally Posted by brewbuck:
    Reimplementing a large system in another language to get a 25% performance boost is nonsense. It would be cheaper to just get a computer which is 25% faster.

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    Right. Well. I made my point already, so there's no point in arguing anymore.
    Submit to the will of the evil corporations!
    Quote Originally Posted by Adak View Post
    io.h certainly IS included in some modern compilers. It is no longer part of the standard for C, but it is nevertheless, included in the very latest Pelles C versions.
    Quote Originally Posted by Salem View Post
    You mean it's included as a crutch to help ancient programmers limp along without them having to relearn too much.

    Outside of your DOS world, your header file is meaningless.

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    You could always switch to Linux ...
    All the buzzt!
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    Aye, lots of free applications. Go Linux.
    One day perhaps I will...
    Quote Originally Posted by Adak View Post
    io.h certainly IS included in some modern compilers. It is no longer part of the standard for C, but it is nevertheless, included in the very latest Pelles C versions.
    Quote Originally Posted by Salem View Post
    You mean it's included as a crutch to help ancient programmers limp along without them having to relearn too much.

    Outside of your DOS world, your header file is meaningless.

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    there's also bugs.
    The programmer’s wife tells him: “Run to the store and pick up a loaf of bread. If they have eggs, get a dozen.”
    The programmer comes home with 12 loaves of bread.


    Originally Posted by brewbuck:
    Reimplementing a large system in another language to get a 25% performance boost is nonsense. It would be cheaper to just get a computer which is 25% faster.

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