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    Well for me I got stuck with Basic for quite a while because I knew it well and could do most things I wanted in it. Learning new languages takes time, and in that time you cant make as much fun stuff. It took me a couple of years before I got off my ass started learning C; console apps aren't the most inspiring things to start off with. That said Its nice to be able to make progs that run fast and don't come with a ton of bloat.

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    Fundamentally you should probably think more about the task you are trying to accomplish than the actual code behind the task. There will be a point where you will have to begin thinking about code but that should be simple(r) since you already have a design. So if you find yourself thinking in Java then I'm afraid if you use C++ you will also find yourself thinking in C++ instead of thinking in concepts. Fact is you don't think in any language when you are approaching a specific problem. This will keep you concentrated on how to approach and solve the problem more than how you will code A with B.

    Once you have your design and approach then you could pretty much code it in any language. At this point you will have to wrap your brain around C++ a bit but it should not be too hard - especially when the compiler starts yelling at you for this or that. Once that happens you will get a good feel for what is allowed in Java and what is allowed in C++. I don't think the adjustment should be that difficult. And your Java knowledge will not be 100% useless in C++ so I agree that you shouldn't throw out the baby with the bathwater here. Think of it as both and instead of one or the other.

    Your problem as I see it may be you are thinking in relation to a specific language or a specific implementation rather than a general overall view of the underlying concepts.
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    Thanks everyone for the input.
    So it looks like the general consensus is not forget to java, but remember that C is not Java and focus on the on design.

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    Although I dont see it as being useful outside web applications.
    Alright... well... basically my entire Ph.D. project is written in Java. I wrote an english syntax parser, and vector analysis package, and a bunch of other stuff to do natural language processing in it. It has a lot of libraries by which you don't have to re-impliment a lot of very useful data structures (I actually wrote a tree-map, but then scratched it after I realized that java already had it! such wasted time but at least I learned something). It was good because I wanted to focus more on dealing with the grammar, and the algorithms, and not nitpick around making data structures for everything.

    Also, it's cross-platform compatible so you can run your code on your windows box, but also on a unix box.

    So, yeah...!

    Oh, and before anyone mentions anything about performance, my simulations take six days already, so it doesn't really matter. I swear, the other Ph.D.'s always .......... about their sims taking half an hour, or like two hours, go get some lunch and come back, try a week... pfft!

    So... yeah!
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    Oh, and before anyone mentions anything about performance, my simulations take six days already, so it doesn't really matter.
    Err ... now if your simulation took a minute, then I'd say don't worry. But if it takes 6 days, then even making it run just 1% faster would shave a full hour and more off.
    The longer something takes, the more you should worry about performance.
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    Well, that's true that the longer it takes the more the percentage-wise improvement would help. However, there are multiple modules to the project, so usually when I'm running simulation on a particular part, I'm coding or improving other parts, or writing new code for something else. If I were to re-write this in C++, it would probably take more work, though I have re-written this entire project from the ground up several times.
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    I have to learn new flavors of basic all the time. I program a lot of controllers (servo's, PLC's, etc). The latest flavor is PBASIC. Once you know how to program, the specific language only depends on what is most applicable to the task at hand. Sure, I'd love to be able to program the BASIC stamp in C/C++, but then it would be the C/C++ Stamp. The project requirement is to write the code for the stamp, so I just have to deal with it.
    Until you can build a working general purpose reprogrammable computer out of basic components from radio shack, you are not fit to call yourself a programmer in my presence. This is cwhizard, signing off.

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