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    Quote Originally Posted by dwks View Post
    jverkoey, your Wikis look interesting. You should consider moving them to the Wiki, whichever one we end up using. I do think, however, that it would be best for us to use a Wiki on sourceforge or something -- an unaligned site, if you will. My first thought was to create something like cbwiki.theprogrammingsite.com, but then I'd have to administer it.
    *nods* I was looking at the SourceForge hosting options and they don't seem too bad.

    I don't think I want to put my Wiki under the cboard name, however, as it's really a separate project. It would likely go under a more unaligned name .

    Because, really, I'm sure there are hundreds of site-sponsored Wikis, but I really feel like that would hinder growth. Making the site more generic and open to any form of tutorial (not just related to the C family) makes the site open to anyone, and in doing so allows for far more unique tutorials to be written on a variety of programming topics. E.g. I wouldn't feel like a tutorial on using php to poll a Perforce server for recent changes on a cboard-style wiki.

    But on that note, if this Wiki solely intends to be a FAQ-style wiki for cboard then it wouldn't make sense for it to be generic, by mere definition alone. *shrugs and wanders about, mostly in circles*
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    Damn it that's a good point

    It's too late now, it's just been approved.

    I can submit a request to have the UNIX name changed, however it's manual and it'd only be worth it if the mods thought it was a bad idea. (There is already a project on sf.net called cboard btw).

    If you have an sf.net account, tell me your UNIX name so I can add you to the project. I don't like the idea of me being in control I also don't have as much 'web experience' as a lot of people on here -- so if someone wants to set up the PHP or whatever wiki thingy go for it After all this is democracy.
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    That's why there should have been a discussion first, O hot-headed zacs7.

    Can you cancel Soureforge project submissions? What does everyone say about hosting this Wiki on Sourceforge, with a name not aligned with CBoard? Then we could say something like, "project initiated by members of cboard.cprogramming.com".

    I guess we'd have to decide whether to restrict the Wiki to C and related languages or not. If not, we might be better off joining an existing project. A cursory Google search doesn't turn up any projects like this.

    I suggest we create a programming FAQ/tutorial-type Wiki. Of course, most of the entries would be in C-like languages at first, if we wrote them. But by not making it C* specific, we have the option to allow other languages later on if we wanted.

    There might be other Wikis like this out there, but creating a new one is more fun anyway.

    Going back to the Sourceforge host idea, what about programmingwiki, or pwiki, or even pw, none of which exist? Any other ideas?

    Who would prefer to restrict a Wiki to C/C++, and who would prefer to be more open-ended?

    [edit] zacs7's new post has changed things. I guess we might as well use cboardwiki for now, we can always change the name later. [/edit]
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    If the wiki were based on contributions from this community, I would prefer a C and C++ only wiki (no C# or managed C++ or C++/CLI either).

    You want the content to have depth, not breadth, otherwise it will end up like many other failed attempts at similar things. This site does C and C++ well, so we should concentrate on those things.

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    You did say "go for it"

    I guess I used a bit of initiative, most of which turned out to be wrong . The project has already been approved, however the UNIX and project names can be changed -- the UNIX name requires a written request (That's easy, I'll just say I'm a moron )

    * pwiki isn't taken -- do you want it changed from 'cboardwiki' to avoid any arguments?

    But it was my impression it was designed to replace or at least mimic the current FAQ. Hence C++, C and C# (which I don't think is in there anyway).

    As for hosting, why not sf.net? It's strongly related to programming. If it's going to stay on sf.net, be sure to post your UNIX username if you want to be involved in my f-up.
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    Right, I've created a SourceForge account, and I'd appreciate it if you could add me to the project. I'm dwks, of course.

    As I think I already said, I have no idea what's involved in installing a Wiki, "the PHP or whatever wiki thingy". Does anyone? I'm sure I could figure it out, but if, say, jverkoey did it, it would probably be less likely to mess up.

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    * pwiki isn't taken -- do you want it changed from 'cboardwiki' to avoid any arguments?
    Either that, or cpwiki, C Programming Wiki. It depends on whether we want it to be restricted to C etc or not.

    I'm okay either way. [/edit]
    Last edited by dwks; 12-21-2007 at 04:22 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daved View Post
    If the wiki were based on contributions from this community, I would prefer a C and C++ only wiki (no C# or managed C++ or C++/CLI either).

    You want the content to have depth, not breadth, otherwise it will end up like many other failed attempts at similar things. This site does C and C++ well, so we should concentrate on those things.
    I wholeheartedly agree, and this could be a great course of action to take with the site.

    However, at what point does an article based on the C family depart from a C family tutorial? I.e. Starting a Wiki restricted to C and C++ may sound like it would be focused, but would this Wiki be restricted to Hello World-esque tutorials teaching the language? I really believe that such content could be written very well, but there are plenty of such tutorials out there; what will our Wiki contribute?

    To have a C and C++ specific Wiki be successful you must have depth, as you say, but many topics that would result in said "depth" are really just general purpose concepts anyway (algorithms being the biggest elephant).

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    cpwiki isn't taken, by the way it seems sf.net already gives you a wiki http://cboardwiki.wiki.sourceforge.net/ however I don't think it suits our needs (hence we should install our own ) *cough* jverkoey *cough*

    dwks, I added you to the project as an admin etc etc.
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    Thanks.

    I'm willing to try installing a separate Wiki directly. The question is, which one? WikiMedia, as ka3 suggested?

    [edit] And forums too. http://sourceforge.net/forum/?group_id=213163 [/edit]
    [edit=2] What's wrong with the built-in one? We could set it up so that cboardwiki.sf.net redirects to there. [/edit]
    [edit=3] We could set the "Space Permissions" on the Wiki to Public so that everyone can edit it. Or leave it as it is so that only members can do so. [/edit]
    Last edited by dwks; 12-21-2007 at 05:02 PM.
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    I'd say have a crack at installing it http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Installation

    You'll have to set a few passwords first (before you can use MySQL etc).

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    Alright, sure, I'll try it. If it works I'll PM you the passwords. If not, I'll unset them. [edit] Actually, it seems like you can access them yourself. [/edit]
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    I'd say if it doesn't work, we use the wiki they give us. Although sf.net delete your project if it's not active (it'd look pretty inactive other than the wiki). So I dunno.

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    Well, if we use the default Wiki, we wouldn't have to worry about keeping it up-to-date or anything.

    But a custom Wiki would look nicer, most likely. I'll see what I can do.
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    I imagine the default wiki will not have support for LaTeX (I could be wrong!) or syntax highlighting. Arguably two very crucial features for a site based on technical content.

    I can install MediaWiki quite easily if I can get added to the SF project.

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    Sure, I extracted MediaWiki and uploaded it to /home/groups/c/cb/cboard/htdocs/mediawiki/. That's all. Feel free to delete it or whatever.

    Do you have a sourceforge account, then? I (or zacs7) could add you to the project and you could take over.

    [edit] Duh, jverkoey, right? I made you an admin. Do your stuff. [/edit]
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