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    If i did all the tutorials ( which i have already started to do ) how well will i program or will understand about programming. I really want to be able to program to make little games and things but i would like to also program so i can make some programs that would make my time on the computer easier.

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    Why don't you start trying to make your little games and programs that will make your time on the computer easier and then you can tell us how good you are?

    Two different people can read through the Cprogramming tutorials and by the end of it they will have completely different skill levels. There is not much there to judge how skilled you are. If you mean, "How much do I know about C and C++" in terms of syntax, then I'd say the answer is not much. You know the basics... you have a foundation to continue farther, but right now, you probably can't accomplish much and anything you do accomplish you'll discover a much better solution down the line.

    Just practice, read more, learn more... you'll be fine, I'm sure.
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    Learning the language is just the beginning...
    What the tutorials won't teach you is how you create your design, hunt down bugs, memory bugs, implementation bugs, threaded bugs, Windows programming, etc, etc, etc.
    Also, even if you know the tutorials doesn't mean you know the language. You forget and the tutorials are really basic too. They don't cover very much.

    You're just setting your first step into a big, brand new world.
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    io.h certainly IS included in some modern compilers. It is no longer part of the standard for C, but it is nevertheless, included in the very latest Pelles C versions.
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    Outside of your DOS world, your header file is meaningless.

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    Get a book. Covers much more than an internet tutorial and in much better depth
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    Or better, get a book, go through online tutorials and if you know someone in the business ply them with sweeties or chocolate to give you a hand when you need it. It works for me.

    I'd also suggest not starting with C, C++. C# or Java are much more beginner-friendly in my experience.

    [Edit] Also, if you want quick results with a game I suggest writing a text-based one first. Graphics can take more time and can be quite disheartening. Don't try to run before you can walk.
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    I don't recommend C# at all. It hides too many things from you. When you go from C# to C/C++m you'll be confused.
    Pascal I think is a recommended language, at least for learning indenting.
    Still, I think going for C++ first is the best of all. If you actually avoid the low level elements (which is possible with C++ but not so much with C), then you'll see it gets a little easier. Then one digs deeper into the language.
    It makes sense, but I can't line out a path to do this... Basically you should try to use STL as much as possible and not rely on raw things like pointers and raw arrays.

    Anyway. Good luck.
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    You mean it's included as a crutch to help ancient programmers limp along without them having to relearn too much.

    Outside of your DOS world, your header file is meaningless.

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    > I don't recommend C# at all. It hides too many things from you. When you go from C# to C/C++m you'll be confused.
    I'm just curious if you know enough about C# or education to back this up. Because it is slightly less difficult, suddenly programming in a language is not worth learning. Yeah. Okay, maybe there is more to learn then how C or C++ breaks. If we build high level constructs then people should be able to use them to learn how to program and move on with their lives.

    > Pascal I think is a recommended language, at least for learning indenting.
    Is that all its good for really? :/ Come on, who needs a whole language to learn how to indent? Idiots do, probably. But most people aren't idiots.
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    Quote Originally Posted by citizen View Post
    I'm just curious if you know enough about C# or education to back this up. Because it is slightly less difficult, suddenly programming in a language is not worth learning. Yeah. Okay, maybe there is more to learn then how C or C++ breaks. If we build high level constructs then people should be able to use them to learn how to program and move on with their lives.
    Maybe I was unclear. I meant, I don't recommend learning C# before C/C++, because it will confuse you. The syntax is the same (almost), but the language isn't. Same as learning VB first.

    Is that all its good for really? :/ Come on, who needs a whole language to learn how to indent? Idiots do, probably. But most people aren't idiots.
    Lots of those "idiots" around here
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    io.h certainly IS included in some modern compilers. It is no longer part of the standard for C, but it is nevertheless, included in the very latest Pelles C versions.
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    You mean it's included as a crutch to help ancient programmers limp along without them having to relearn too much.

    Outside of your DOS world, your header file is meaningless.

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    I'd say the tutorials would make you about a 3/10 as a programmer if you complete them well. Getting a good book will certainly increase that. Getting several good books will increase it even more.

    I'd agree with Pendragon that you should consider learning a high level language (like C# or Java) first, especially if you just want to learn to program and don't have any specific need to learn C or C++. It's easier to learn programming concepts when you aren't getting bogged down with the details of languages like C and C++ that leave a lot of responsibility to you.

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    How on Earth is C# more confusing than C++?

    It's not a bad thing that it does a lot of the work for you. It makes your job a lot easier and hiding many of the intricacies of a language allows a beginner to get started and learn programming concepts rather than C++ concepts which is what made it slow-going for me. I only *twigged* when I switched to learning Java. Plus, you don't *have* to move from C# to C++, I wouldn't reccommend it unless you actually need to. I only ever use it for algorithm optimization when I use it at all.

    Why make a job harder than it need be?

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    It depends... if you just want a higher level language, you can stick to C#. But learning C/C++ after C# will be confusing.
    I can't give much insight on the issue. I only know that once I used VB and when I tried C++, I got horribly confused and couldn't do much right.
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    io.h certainly IS included in some modern compilers. It is no longer part of the standard for C, but it is nevertheless, included in the very latest Pelles C versions.
    Quote Originally Posted by Salem View Post
    You mean it's included as a crutch to help ancient programmers limp along without them having to relearn too much.

    Outside of your DOS world, your header file is meaningless.

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    with C# first, you essentially have to remove syntax rather than add as you would if you went from c/C++ to C#. Array sytax, traversing arrays etc. are a bit funny (albeit convenient at times) in C#.

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    Learning C++ after C# doesn't have to be confusing. You do need to have an understanding of how C#/Java does certain things for you and what those things are. However, there is a reason that every British university I applied to taught Java as a first language and still do and only later introduce C++ and its complexities (if they do at all). It's easier to understand OO concepts using a simpler language.

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    Yes, but usually you teach the basics first, and then go up. C# is an entirely different language.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Salem View Post
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    Outside of your DOS world, your header file is meaningless.

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    >> Yes, but usually you teach the basics first, and then go up.

    Actually, that statement sounds like you're advocating teaching C# first, but I know what you mean.

    Even if the statement is true, is it a good thing? Does that apply to assembly? If you think the students should learn how things work first before learning higher level languages that do low level work for you, then that means they should learn assembly first, then C, then maybe C++ and C#. That doesn't make sense as a good plan to me.

    IMO, as you become more advanced as a programmer, you should go to more difficult and more low-level languages so you can have more control over your surroundings without getting overwhelmed by having control over your surroundings.

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