Religious overkill?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Universal Declaration of Human Rights
    Everyone is entitled to all the rights and freedoms set forth in this Declaration, without distinction of any kind, such as race, colour, sex, language, religion, political or other opinion, national or social origin, property, birth or other status. Furthermore, no distinction shall be made on the basis of the political, jurisdictional or international status of the country or territory to which a person belongs, whether it be independent, trust, non-self-governing or under any other limitation of sovereignty.
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    Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion; this right includes freedom to change his religion or belief, and freedom, either alone or in community with others and in public or private, to manifest his religion or belief in teaching, practice, worship and observance.
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    Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers.
    Correct them if the UN is wrong.
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    I don't think even animals can be sacrificed
    At least... it's not called that.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shechita


    Unfortunately maxtorator not everyone agrees with the UN as you see on the news so often. Imagine the outcry if the cleric Abu Hamza were permitted on these grounds to continue his 'teaching'. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Ham...asri#Preaching

    There is always a limit and has to be else anyone could incite hatred citing it as being within his/her human rights.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Universal Declaration of Human Rights
    Nothing in this Declaration may be interpreted as implying for any State, group or person any right to engage in any activity or to perform any act aimed at the destruction of any of the rights and freedoms set forth herein.
    If I get it right these may not be used against these rights. That Abu Hamza seems to try to destruct the human rights, so how can they apply to him then?
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    Looks like some in the Sudan are now calling for her execution.

    Do the kids get punished for coming up with the name?
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    ...and, as per usual, things escalate yet further.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/7121025.stm


    That Abu Hamza seems to try to destruct the human rights, so how can they apply to him then?
    Touchy subject. All he's doing is talking. He's expressing his opinion, whatever the interpretation of his teaching, it is not, directly at least, his doing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pendragon View Post
    I think the relationship between the Church and the government is more a relic of Britain's past though, don't you?
    I was genuinely asking, thanks for the answer matsp.

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    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/7119391.stm

    Some more thoughts on the matter.

    The Archbishop of Canterbury Rowan Williams said he could not "see any justification" for the sentence, calling it an "absurdly disproportionate response" to a "minor cultural faux pas".
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    I do believe the laws themselves are backwards. Basing modern lawn on a book over a thousand years old invites almost militaristic enforcement of them.

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    I think a lot of the problem relates to how one interprets what is in said book... not so much what is actually written in it.

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    This applies to many books. According to certain South Africans, the bible says that people of "non-white" origin are less valued than white ones. It's not exactly the message you get when you speak to OTHER Christians. I beleive Ku Klux Klan in America has been known to "find strength" in the bible too.

    If you have a big enough amount of text, and cut excerpts out, you can come to almost any conclusion, I think.

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    the bible says that people of "non-white" origin are less valued than white ones.
    Interesting considering where the book is supposed to have originated.

    It reminds me of a quote from a film:

    "You're painting Jesus white... are you sure he was white?"

    "Of course he's white! *whisper* sometimes I wonder if he's mentally handicapped as well"

    It's from a not-very-serious film but I think illustrates the attitude of some christians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pendragon View Post
    Interesting considering where the book is supposed to have originated.

    It reminds me of a quote from a film:

    "You're painting Jesus white... are you sure he was white?"

    "Of course he's white! *whisper* sometimes I wonder if he's mentally handicapped as well"

    It's from a not-very-serious film but I think illustrates the attitude of some christians.
    Haha. Yes, and of course, I'm pretty sure that Jesus's non-violent approach doesn't quite match the Apartheid principles - but all of this is down to interpreting, and very often, cutting small pieces out of a big context - and you don't always get the full picture, if you use a stamp-sized view of the world.

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    hmm... 15 days imprisonment? I thought it would be smarter to make some cash by imposing a hefty fine then deporting Mrs Gibbons right away. Also, they would not have to spend resources keeping her in prison, meeting with representatives from Britain and dealing with protests over the 15 days.
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    Yet even in our own fair country in these supposed enlightened times... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/cornwall/7120699.stm

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    While I don't share Sudan's view of using religious law in such a way I don't see what the problem is. The teacher should have known what the country's laws were before going there. If she was unwilling to follow the laws then she shouldn't have gone. If she was unaware of the laws then that just shows poor planning.

    15 days sounds about right for a minor offense.

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