Heaven, Hell, and Aetheists/Non-believers

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    If you know one thing about science it is that man created it, science did not create man. Science is just as much of a religion as anything else, you die and there are no consequences, exactly like satan would describe life to a man.

    I was not a Christian until I read a small verse in the bible, It described a leviathin, this leviathin spit out fire and death, lurked under the water, and was made of material stronger than stone. It was a massive beast that was nearly invincible. The Leviathin sounded strangly like a submarine, there were many coninsidences(sp?).


    Actually I originaly only believed in the old testament(the torah) until reading revelation. In revelation man creates a beast, there is an army of 200 million soldiers(a ridiculous number at the time), and people are marked to keep track of. At the time none of these were possible, but current day it is possible.


    One thing that I have found strange is mans obsession with technology, in the bible God wanted men to carry the altar instead of horses, since using horses involved technology. Man is always trying to create utopia, supposedly we are suppierior to the man of yesteryear, but if evolution is true then we are actually vastly inferior(de evolution).


    Ok, lets look at the beggining of the universe, now if the big bang actually happened, it would have happened infintly earlier, because as we all know matter doesnt just matterialize, and the universe would have had to existed forever according to the laws of physics.
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    Now lets look at the beggining of life, Rna was the first life form to exist, not only that it had to have the ability to replicate to evolve. At the time there was no refined food, so Rna would have had to have absorbed each other to survive. Now what happens next is more intresting, a cell wall is formed, and when it was formed an RNA was captured in it. this Rna did not only replicate itself but the cell also.

    The above is the accepted theory, and the chance of all of that falling together in the course of 15 billion years in a universe as big as it is insane! and if life on mars did exist, then that means the process of life is fairly common, and all scientific theorys would be shattered.


    but, I believe that if you lead a good life God will have mercy on you...



    "More wars have been fought over religion than over anything. "

    More people have died from atheism, Hitler used Religion as one of many shields to allow him to do his work, Stalin killed jews, and christians. Japan had religion during WW2 but it was not that important, they killed lots of people. The crusades were an excuse to pillage and plunder other countries. There was a say "Kill a jew save your soul" if they actually read the bible they would not kill any jews- Which is why the bible was outlawed except for priests at the time.

    Tell me one war that was truly motivated by Judaism\Christianity
    (wars of Moses day dont count- its called revenge)

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    Another religion discussion!

    do aetheist/non-believers go to hell when they die? why? how?
    Have you not read my lengthy report on the after life in the last religion thread? It says where non-believers go. I believe it was in my first reply to the last religion thread...go read it...



    ALSO (in a booming voice),

    I intend to prove that God does exist through the use of science. Through science I will prove that God exists.

    The Bible and science DO coexist. They do not contradict. I will prove it.

    Obviously I cannot do it all at once, but I will report on particular things as they are...discovered...

    Part 1:

    The believers and non-believers continually argue about how long the Earth has existed. The non-believers are correct in this instance, but that does NOT prove that God does not exist. In FACT, it helps prove that he DOES.

    In Genesis it says that God created the Earth in 7 days (if you count the day of rest at the end, if you want to be anal about it, we will say 6). Go back to the original meaning of the word day in Hebrew.

    The original meaning is: from the time something starts to the time something finishes.

    It did NOT originally mean a 24 hour period. Therefore, in the book of Genesis, each "day" is just from the time something started to the time something finished. Therefore, each day in the creation could be several billion years.

    Part 2:

    God's time compared to our time. It is said in the Bible that 1000 years to us is 1 day to God. This is entirely possible using the Theory of Relativity. According to the Theory of Relativity, time flow changes according to the amount of gravity. Therefore, where God exists, there could be an incredible difference in gravity compared to us, and so 1 day to him is 1000 years to us. It is highly possible.

    That is all for now.
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    Oh, boy. Heeeeeerrrrre weeee gooooooooo..................
    No. Wait. Don't hang up!

    This is America calling!

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    It's pretty much accepted that in science you don't talk about God, you leave that kind of stuft those ph people. You can't prove God exist but you can't prove
    God can't exist so no point argueing.

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    That's fair enough.

    It does make an interesting debate though, until we start going around in circles that is.

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    >>Science is just as much of a religion as anything else<

    ??? what are you talking about? this is ridiculous

    >>I was not a Christian until I read a small verse in the bible<

    i was not a horror films fun until i read the revelation...lol
    oh ... lol...how can anyone belive in revelation??? HOW?? LOL

    david..please not one of these huge things again please...



    anyway, i am glad to see that in this thread we have more atheists
    than the previous one!!! this means that more programmers (or
    wannabe programmers) exists and they are atheists

    this is good!


    hey ppl....let's not start again...it is boring again...
    behold the faithless one and his angel

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    Hey, we're all programmers here. We should be able to think logically, especially as it is our job.

    I'm a Catholic, but in the end I believe religion does not matter so much as where your moral compass is pointing.

    Anyways, flaming each other for religion/lack thereof just devalues your viewpoint. So does trolling.
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    Digest this:

    the bible is metaphorical.

    how can humans know about some of this crazy stuf that is in the bible? it just doesn't make sense if you use your head.

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    I am not saying the catholicism/christianity is bad, or wrong, i'm only saying that it is poorly designed and is counterproductive and vastly innefecient as far as a religion goes.

    Believe in whatever you want, as long as you believe it to be to your own benefit and not contributing to your own demise.

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    "Ok, lets look at the beggining of the universe, now if the big bang actually happened, it would have happened infintly earlier, because as we all know matter doesnt just matterialize, and the universe would have had to existed forever according to the laws of physics."

    Matter can and does just materialise, it's called pair production. It happens all the time and relies on the uncertainty principle.
    It's a phenomona (sp?) which can even allow us to spot black holes.
    Laws of Physics is a horrible term as well. They're just mathematical equations describing how things behave. They change, they evolve, they get replaced. Until Einstein published his theory of relativity everyone thought you could accelerate things to any speed given enough force and time, we now know that to be true.
    That's odd, a read a couple of articles recently, and if I get the time I'll try and get the actual papers where the laws of physics pretty much allow a big bang which works with all the current theories of Quantum Physics where the Universe can start in a moment of Quantum Uncertainty
    Lead me not into temptation... I can find it myself.

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    I too am an aetheist and I don't believe in hell or heaven. When you die you die. Ever see a dead cat on the road? Its just dead, not in heaven, dead. Thats life for you. A beginning a dramatic middle and an end.

    Here is something that some may find interesting though, my mother and older sister are jahovah's witnesses and apparently that religion doesn't believe in hell. They also don't celebrate any holidays either, its no wonder (to me at least) why they NEED to go door to door to find people.

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    I fail to see why people are continuously trying to convert others (to Atheism, from Atheism, to Christianity, etc.). Why does someone else's religion/belief/whatever affect you?

    The beliefs normally thought of as religion and science are not perfect, and fail to account for things. Science is not perfect. There is no known reason why the universe exists (and why it exists as it does). Similarly, religion fails to account for why God exists and why God would decide to create the universe/life/etc. Religion and science are both "theories" to explain why things are the way they are. Neither one can be proven, and neither can be disproven.

    As for the proof of God's existence by the use of the Theory of Relativity, that is not a real proof. It simply shows that in those respects, they do not contradict each other.

    Oh, and if anyone is wondering, I am an atheist.

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    new point of discussion:

    what if the bible is metaphorical ([edit] wrong word here [/edit])? There are enough holes in it to point to that idea, and most of it can be applied to evolution/sciences that weren't discovered back then. Who knows? maybe the apostles where scientists at heart?


    (i believe it is hypothetical.)
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    hey man, your family is jahovah's witnesses and you are an atheist?
    this is great! i thought that when a member of these families change
    his/her mind it was something like betray.
    what do they think of you? and also good for you because you stood up
    and used your brain instead of accept all these bull****.

    i know two people ,jahovah's witnesses and they are so close minded...
    good for you!
    behold the faithless one and his angel

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    religions aren't bullshingles. it's only that religions are for people who are too mentally weak (have been trained so, or just bacame so) to stand on their own moral ground (which isn't neccessarily a bad thing) and completely throw aside the logic of ethics.

    it's all ethics to me.

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