What you do while playing console

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    Quote Originally Posted by ethic View Post
    Yes. Even that.
    This wasn't as much of a problem back in the day of vibrating controllers. :/
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    I think he was talking about where he puts the nunchuck

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    Quote Originally Posted by ethic View Post
    I do not get this question.

    However, the Nintendo Wii is awesome. Super Mario
    Galaxy comes out in about 3 weeks. This game is
    going to f'ing rule.
    I dont understand how you can make this assumption based on no experience with the product.
    Wiis are still sold out everywhere. If they were
    as easily available as the 360 was, the 360 wouldn't
    have sold more units in September.
    Try the shops in St. louis, they have plenty of Wii's, around here the Wii is generally considered substandard even for a console. The PS3 is the popular choice.
    Until you can build a working general purpose reprogrammable computer out of basic components from radio shack, you are not fit to call yourself a programmer in my presence. This is cwhizard, signing off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by abachler View Post
    Try the shops in St. louis, they have plenty of Wii's, around here the Wii is generally considered substandard even for a console. The PS3 is the popular choice.
    How about try almost any town in New Jersey. I'm 25 minutes out of New York City and the stores are packed with Wii. Granted, they also have a fair amount of PS3s, but it's not as though the Wii is really the hottest item in town. This generation of games seems to have been a severe disappointment, so far... for the first time in many, many years, I see more kids asking for things like cell phones and laptops for Christmas rather than the hottest console.

    Personally, I see a bigger future in the PS3 with the expected titles coming next year... many big hits there. I also see Wii's controller gimmick dying with time. It's not the future of games and people will start to get sick of it. That's just my opinion, though.
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    The Wii is and has always been a gimmick. Gimmick's don't last in technology but they do have their time. I think Wii's is coming to a close.

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    I think more people are getting tired of consoles in general. Thier price tags are approaching (low end) computers, while their performance and game selection is not. The cost of the individual games is just as high, and in some cases higher. They also dont have as wide a selection of controllers, no serious upgrade path, and limited support for non-proprietary titles.

    Computers are slowly killing the console market, because people want value for their dollar and the computer can do a lot more than a console ever will.
    Until you can build a working general purpose reprogrammable computer out of basic components from radio shack, you are not fit to call yourself a programmer in my presence. This is cwhizard, signing off.

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    Not being a gamer I've been thinking this for a long time but nobody else seems to agree with me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by abachler View Post
    I think more people are getting tired of consoles in general. Thier price tags are approaching (low end) computers, while their performance and game selection is not.
    The PS3 has extremely good performance compared to a computer. PS3 clusters with Linux are currently being used for scientific computations. There are 250,000 Folding@Home PS3 users.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bubba View Post
    The Wii is and has always been a gimmick. Gimmick's don't last in technology but they do have their time. I think Wii's is coming to a close.
    Many people don't really care about technology and if their console uses state of the art shaders. They want to have fun, and technology is only one aspect of gaming.
    Quote Originally Posted by abachler View Post
    Computers are slowly killing the console market
    I've heard that for a very long time. You might have a point, though. Nintendo is as far as I know the only company currently making a profit from their consoles. In the long run, Sony and Microsoft won't continue making consoles only to lose money.
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    Originally Posted by abachler View Post
    I think more people are getting tired of consoles in general. Thier price tags are approaching (low end) computers, while their performance and game selection is not.
    Quote Originally Posted by Sang-drax
    The PS3 has extremely good performance compared to a computer. PS3 clusters with Linux are currently being used for scientific computations. There are 250,000 Folding@Home PS3 users.
    The PS3 has really has some impressive hardware, even for its high price tag, but its going to take a while before people start to make games that use it to its full potential. Wii's are a gimmick, my friend got one and I was bored with it after 10 minutes. I'd rather have a DS.

    As to do with the folding@home project the PS3 cell processor is ideally suited to it because stream processors are designed to handle large chunks of contiguous data fast. While stream processors have great potential for graphics stuff like ray-tracing, they are a trade off with flexibility. For doing stuff like, say, AI where you may need to get tiny bits of data from all over the place stream processors are not so well suited.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sang-drax
    I've heard that for a very long time. You might have a point, though. Nintendo is as far as I know the only company currently making a profit from their consoles. In the long run, Sony and Microsoft won't continue making consoles only to lose money.
    I thought they made their money from licensing the games. I think they will be perfectly happy to sell consoles at a loss, as long as they are competing, and they make their money back elsewhere. Its like printers; they sell the unit at a loss knowing you are then going to have to buy ink for it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by abachler View Post
    I dont understand how you can make this assumption based on no experience with the product.
    I don't know how you can make an assumption that
    I have no experience with the product. Super Mario
    Galaxy is already available to play at Gamestops across
    the country.

    Plus, history alone says that Mario Galaxy will be awesome
    as every Mario platform game rules.

    Try the shops in St. louis, they have plenty of Wii's, around here the Wii is generally considered substandard even for a console. The PS3 is the popular choice.
    Well, you live in weird-o ville, then. Because across
    the rest of the world, the PS3 is the least popular
    choice. Even Sony knows it; as they've been altering
    the price and spec of their damn system consistently
    over the last year. The lastest of which includes the
    complete removal of backwards compatibility.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SlyMaelstrom View Post
    Personally, I see a bigger future in the PS3 with the expected titles coming next year... many big hits there. I also see Wii's controller gimmick dying with time. It's not the future of games and people will start to get sick of it. That's just my opinion, though.
    Nobody is starting to get sick of the Wii. It's still selling
    better globally than the other consoles; and Nintendo just
    increased production to 1.8million units / month.

    And this is without a whole lot of great games (Zelda,
    Metroid Prime 3). Wait until Galaxy and Smash Bros is
    released. And Mario Kart.

    The Wii is and has always been a gimmick. Gimmick's don't last in technology but they do have their time. I think Wii's is coming to a close.
    Yes. The DS is also a gimmick; a gimmick that has sold
    more than 50 million units Worldwide and has opened
    up the doors to more unique gaming experiences. There's
    nothing gimmicky about it.

    The Wii's control scheme has already shown itself to be
    better for FPS games than Dual Analog (Metroid Prime 3);
    not to mention the possibility of console RTS games that
    are actually fun to play.

    I think you guys are just out of touch with the industry.
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    The PS3 isn't as good of amachine for gaming as the 360,
    according to this guy, who is actually a multi-console developer.
    But, whether you agree with his outlook on the console or not,
    he does have some interesting points. The only people that
    will be able to take full advantage of the console are probably the
    Sony-funded products with huge-ass budgets.


    "Ok, fine, but the cell is like, super powerful"

    In theory, sure, but in reality it doesn't work out that way. Game code simply doesn't split well across multiple processors. You can probably find a way to split a few things off fairly easily - put the audio on one processor, animation on another; but generally the breakup is always going to leave several of the SPUs idle or underutilized. On top of that, it's usually not CPU speed that restricts the visuals in games - it's fill rate.
    ...

    I suspect a small number of PS3 only developers will optimize the hardware to do something cool. However, this will be an exception to the rule, and will likely involved game designs that are specifically designed for the hardware and funded by Sony. If those will prove to be fun or not is another question.

    http://jbooth.blogspot.com/2007/10/p...-and-spin.html
    But, I don't have the technical knowledge to offer an opinion
    on the specs of the PS3. I do know that I've read about a lot
    of developers not liking it. Maybe you guys can read that.


    Oh, and Will Wright also sees the Wii as the only true
    Next-Gen platform. And I'm willing think his opinion has
    to mean something, considering the guy is responsible
    for one of the most successful franchises ever.


    Somebody asked me what I thought next generation meant and what about the PlayStation 3 was next generation. The only next gen system I've seen is the Wii – the PS3 and the Xbox 360 feel like better versions of the last, but pretty much the same game with incremental improvement. Bu tht eWii feels like a major jump – not that the graphics are more powerful, but that it hits a completely different demographic. In some sense I see the Wii as the most significant thing that's happened, at least on the console side, in quite a while.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology.../26/willwright
    omg and SPORE IS COMING TO WII!

    (sorry for the triple post, but I had to respond to
    everyone's comments).
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    You know we do have an edit post button.


    And somehow I think Spore on a console would be far less complex than Spore on a PC. This is given that what I saw from the initial demo would be extremely difficult to pull off on a very high-end PC.

    Consoles have their worth and I don't think they will ever completely disappear because they address a niche area of the gamer market that PC's cannot address. However there will always be PC's and PC games will always be the forefront of graphics, AI, and computing technology. Consoles come 'as-is' and are getting quite expensive. For all that money you could nearly put together a very good PC mobo, CPU, and RAM combo. I see very soon when in the attempt to match or outdo the PC consoles become about as expensive as new PC's. Technology is not cheap and even the console creators cannot outrun the price of new hardware.

    As far as not being in touch with the industry I highly doubt that is true of the members of this board. Perhaps we are more in touch with the retail side of it since we are the ones buying games. I myself know many, many gamers both on console and PC. The number one excuse I hear from my console friends about not having a PC is that it is too complex and difficult to play games on. Once I show them that is bunk they are soon off to buy their own PC fixing it up with the latest and greatest hardware. Consoles have caused games to go backwards in my opinion. Now we have fixed save points and the like in PC games. Isn't that an invention from the 1980's and 1990's PC games??? When I have a 180GB hard drive the last thing I want is for a game to limit where and how many times I can save. So you can get away with certain things on the console but please don't attempt to put those same limiting ideas into my PC game. But what do I know I only own about 280 PC games so perhaps I'm out of touch.
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    Oh, and Will Wright also sees the Wii as the only true
    Next-Gen platform.
    The console industry must be through its deepest crisis if we look at Wii (or any other console currently on the market) as Next-Gen. Standards for this word are usually a little higher.

    However, Will Wright does two things very well; he's a great game designer and, because our societies are structured this way, that also makes him a good opinion maker.
    The programmer’s wife tells him: “Run to the store and pick up a loaf of bread. If they have eggs, get a dozen.”
    The programmer comes home with 12 loaves of bread.


    Originally Posted by brewbuck:
    Reimplementing a large system in another language to get a 25% performance boost is nonsense. It would be cheaper to just get a computer which is 25% faster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bubba View Post
    ... I don't think they will ever completely disappear because they address a niche area of the gamer market that PC's cannot address.
    I don't understand your use of the word niche. Is that like, irony?

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