English will be the official language of the EU

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    That's completely incorrect. Yes, the Romans were defeated, but the Italians were not wiped by any means. Latin was the primary language being spoken on the Italian peninsula, and in Spain, and in much of France when the Romans were defeated.

    Unfortunately, once the Roman Empire was defeated, communications between the regions broke down seriously. Romans had built roads. Romans had created an active empire in which there was plenty of trade. Once that was gone...people were separated. Having lived in Italy myself, I can see the effects of this. People became isolated, and when that happens, dialects begin to form.

    When the Romans fell, dialects actually already existed...but they weren't prominent because there was a grand empire holding everything together. The fall of the Romans was a catalyst for the dialects to continue evolving. In Italy alone there are about 30 different dialects...and nobody really spoke the same language again until the late 1800s. The same thing happened in Spain and France.

    Latin was still the language for the educated...but honestly...how many people were actually educated back in that time period? Thus, Latin as a world language began to falter, but remained a world language for the educated people. It remained like this until the 1700s and 1800s.

    At this time, there was a rise of the middle class, and world trade as well. The British Empire had colonies all over the world (first in the Americas, and then in the Africas, and then in Asia as well...going into the 1900s). Because of the globality of the British Empire, English was the language of the trading world.

    This caused the rise of English as a global language, and the final decline of Latin - even though Latin is still pervasive in all parts of society.

    As far as English being the "language of the Gods" (quoted by @nthony), I think that that is completely false.
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    it would also mess up the educational system in schools
    I prey it never actually comes to pass
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    The Romans were wiped out as a civilisation and society, as in rendered inconsequential.
    Their holdings divided, their people scattered.
    Regional dialects later became what's now called Italian with its variations from north to south.
    Other regional dialects merged with the languages of the Iberian peninsula in what is now Spanish.

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    I am dead against what it would be representative of, and that's the total loss of independence and sovereignty, becoming a Franco/German colony (which the so-called EU "constitution" which now has been renamed "treaty" already starts to bring about).
    LOL. You do know that membership in the european union is voluntary right ? While I'm not a fan of giving up my own language, I'm really at a loss how speaking english would qualify you for becoming a french or german colony. Okay, I'm off, I need to buy a bullwhip before the shops close so I can enslave some helpless dutch and poles.
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    Of course the reality is different but similar, as we're all going to end up being Franco/German colonies and being forced to use either one of those languages depending on who our overlords will be.
    All hail the new overlord Nvoigt, for he is the chosen one with the bullwhip!

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    I always find it very funny to see how threads can start having their own life around here. From a simple joke to some linguistic/pattriotism thread.
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    No single person or a little group of people can modify a language with a long history so that everyone will accept it. Not even EU.

    Oh, and did you know that carrot is officially a fruit in EU? Well, this is because Portuguese used to make jam out of carrots but in EU you can only make jam from fruits. What is this law good for? It's just one example of totally idiotic bureaucracy. What will they do next? Bread must be in a certain range of color?
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    no joke: the EU requires all bananas to be within a specific curvature range.
    Officially for quality reasons, in reality it's to block imports of bananas from all countries except a few former colonies where specific species of the banana plant are cultivated that produce bananas with that curvature.

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    A few former colonies ? Is there a single country that has not been a colony of one or another european state in it's history ? There's really no non-colony left, we've fought way to many wars for money, land or religion.

    European law is strange and sometimes laughable, but I'll go with the saying "Never ascribe to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity."
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    yes, there are.
    The ruling explicitly protects the trade interests of certain Latin American countries.

    As to countries that have never been colonies, look no further than Japan and China (not Banana growers I know, though you never know what the Chinese will copy).

    but I'll go with the saying "Never ascribe to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity."
    Sure, that's one reason it's such a stupid reasoning In reality the ruling favours countries of the British Commonwealth over others, while officially being about fair trade.

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    Japan has never been a colony: true.

    China.....eh.....although never officially being a colony, it pretty much was for a period of time...during the Opium Wars and all the spheres of influence that were going on at the time.
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