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    Actually, it's just considered cool to have one, not many people (including me) that I know have one. Not that big of a deal though, it's a green waste, there are hundereds of other things I would rather do with my money.

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    >> I for one am personally blown away. I'M GOING TO KILL MYSELF IN THE FACE.

    :rofl:

    >> I think the Wii is just a system everybody will buy, but nobody will play. Something that you only use when a lot of people are over.

    That pretty much describes the amount of usage my Wii gets. When I do use it alone, I usually play GC games (RE4 ftw!) so it's kinda like the GC I never had.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ethic View Post
    Hi. Me again. Just read this:

    http://www.next-gen.biz/index.php?op...=6507&Itemid=2

    Microsoft Xbox division just posted a $1.9Billion loss.

    lol.
    The gains they made from their other divisions kept them out of the red. While not ideal they have sacrificed the profits of other ventures to keep the hit of the warranty from hurting them. Also the damage that would have occured had they not increased public relation and customer interest would probably cost them more in the short term.

    http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...PzE&refer=home

    I'm sorry to say that you being deluded doesn't change the fact that Nintendo's success doesn't hurt the other two companies. Nintendo makes totally different games and they just don't have the third party support to make them considered competition. They can be successful in thier own right without hindering hte success of the other two consoles. The only thing that will do Nintendo or Sony in are one another and themselves, and despite your fanboy street-preachings of Nintendo's second coming they are far from "failing".

    I understand, I used to be a nintendo fanboy. Then I got a clue.

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    lol @ you guys taking sides with corporations
    Yes, I'm siding with a corporation. Especially one that takes
    risks and encourages innovation. Honestly, I think that's a
    pretty good reason to side with a corporation. Technology
    is so complex nowadays, that corporations are the only ones
    who really have the means to make it progress. I'm sure even
    the smallest technological advances are the result of millions
    and millions of dollars in R&D.

    So, yes, I do have a problem with Microsoft and Sony. Reach
    into your bag of tired ol' internet cliches and call it fanboyism
    or whatever the hell you want. But both companies lack even
    the slightest amount of creativity, originality or even insight.
    Consumers expect that every generation will simply be a
    graphical improvement. And Sony and MS did nothing but try
    to meet those expectations. While Nintendo went a completely
    different route: retaining the graphics of the previous generation,
    but focusing more on immersive controls.

    Neither MS or Sony seem to take chances. Or at least not
    chances big enough for anyone to notice. That's not good for
    anybody. It just stifles the market. Even something as trivial
    as coming up with new names for their consoles was too much
    of a risk for them. While Nintendo, who actually believed in
    their product, chose what was probably the most criticized
    product name in video game history. The Wii. It still sounds
    stupid.

    With the exception of some minor added functionality, Sony
    hasn't changed their controller in 12 years. And some of that
    added functionality, namely the Sixaxis control, was obviously
    inspired by Nintendo. And I'm willing to bet that the next
    generation will see both Sony and Microsoft focusing more on
    motion sensing controls.

    Nintendo takes chances and shapes the market. They do
    deserve respect for that. Whereas MS and Sony don't - and
    honestly, shouldn't be respected. From the first console
    analog stick of the N64 to the DS and Wii. They create more
    unique experiences..

    lol. I don't even play video games, really.
    Staying away from General.

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    What's taking chances worth when you have at least 3 new games coming out by the end of the year and most of the ones you have now are mini/party/non-games? Nintendo HAS to be innovatinve because they refuse too see any developer on their systems do anything innovative without their console being to foil with which to do it. Without the waggle, developers were creating innovative games. Just because the hardware's there, and the software is there mainly by the first party, doesn't mean that innovation exists no-where else.

    Microsoft and Sony really provide a means for which developers can express themselves by way of original downloadable games, original full games whether big or small. It's the developers choice for what interesting things to do with their games, and despite your rhetoric, developers do achieve innovation. I see the wii as a more expensive version of those fisher price toys. The only software worth having on it is made by nintendo, and despite being such an innovative company, an only develop so many games at a given year (see: Wii library).

    It's your opinion I see that. But Nintendo being successful and selling so many consoles do not reflect on what prospects game developers have on their console. If you're a developer and you want to release a game using the best technology, to test your skills, to release a game with an ambitious story, you won't go to wii. More and more games want to provide such games, and even if they don't, you have the Xbox Live Arcade and Sony Playstation Network Arcade (or whatever they call it), to provide small serving innovative games, only minus the waggle, and twice the visual fidelity.

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    I'm still having so much fun with my PS2
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    Originally Posted by brewbuck:
    Reimplementing a large system in another language to get a 25% performance boost is nonsense. It would be cheaper to just get a computer which is 25% faster.

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    As am I. I am currently Playing Jak 3 (not nearly as frustrating as Jak 2. And I need to finish the ratchet and clank series. Not to mention FFXII (if I actually end up liking it) and God of War II. Between my PS2 and my 360 with the next four month's lineup I see no need to spend money on the wii which to me has an uninteresting lineup for the year and of course past games. After the trainwreck of gamecube I am going to hold out on another nintendo product for a while.

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    I still have a gamecube. Only has the one game

    Resident Evil 4
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    I have a Wii, and loving it. While I would like an XBox 360 (no PS3, EVER for me), I am afraid I won't spend as much time on it with my computer still capable. At least I can do what my computer can't do on the Wii... I am by no mean a hardcore gamer, I only play games that is fun and no 2 hours cutscenes or BOOM headshots (I have my comp for that), and people like myself will not spend $600 on a console, and that's a lot of them.

    Looking forward to SSBB
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    Quote Originally Posted by swgh View Post
    I still have a gamecube. Only has the one game

    Resident Evil 4
    Amen!

    EDIT: >> While I would like an XBox 360 (no PS3, EVER for me)

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    After having both xbox and ps2, I am starting to feel sick with the new generation of MS and Sony consoles. I personally did not play PS3, but the xbox360 is just a prettier version of an xbox. Whats worse is that I am playing almost the same games as I had on the PC, with a little bit inferior graphics (FEAR, Quake 4, Oblivion, C&C3 ). And whats the matter with them not changing the controllers? Sure the controllers has good designs, but after three generation? I at least need something a little different so that I at least "feel" like I am playing something of a newer generation.

    I only played one game at stores for the PS3 (went to my friends house to play the 360) and thats NFS Carbon, which I have to say the graphics are nice (even though its very similar to xbox 360 nice), but its also a PC game that I already have played, and the PC provides my with better AA too.

    I only played the Wii on one game and it was Wii sports. I really like how they tried to create new experiences and it was successful too. I personally hated Nintendo starting N64 and didn't buy anything nintendo after that, but this Console might be something worthy for a purchase. However, there is still the lack of games that I wanted to play (probably I only wanted to own Wii sports lol), and I feel that the controller had a certain lag to it too...

    I am just gonna stick with my PS2 and PC for now...
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    Quote Originally Posted by firyace
    And whats the matter with them not changing the controllers? Sure the controllers has good designs, but after three generation? I at least need something a little different so that I at least "feel" like I am playing something of a newer generation.
    I'm not following...

    What use exactly came of the Wii controller? Do you think you can play, say Quake 4 (since you mentioned it), taking full advantage of this type of controller? I always found, from day 1 (there's a post somewhere) the Wii controller to be... stupid. It looks cool for a week. Then you get bored because frankly there's not much you can do with it besides playing silly sports games.

    The same reasoning could apply to PC controllers. Keyboards, mice, pedals, joysticks, wheels. They are here for a long time. Much longer than the design you say old in PS consoles. They work. They are intuitive and many other controllers (including the Wii controller) derive from them.

    If you look for inovation, don't mention the Wii controler unless inovation is good even if it comes at the price of uselessness or little practicality.
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    Originally Posted by brewbuck:
    Reimplementing a large system in another language to get a 25% performance boost is nonsense. It would be cheaper to just get a computer which is 25% faster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mario F. View Post
    If you look for inovation, don't mention the Wii controler unless inovation is good even if it comes at the price of uselessness or little practicality.
    As you said, the Wii controller is great for sports games where the player has to physically move. So maybe you don't want to get off your butt and move around, that's your prerogative. But I think introducing more physical activity into video game playing IS innovative.

    Nintendo wasn't the first to make a physical video game, but they are the first to design a general-purpose controller for them. Just because you don't appreciate the games doesn't make the whole thing useless.

    Basically you're admitting that you prefer to sit on your ass. And then you turn that into some kind of strike against Nintendo.

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    I look forward to finding a good shooter for the Wii. The combination of controllers seems to almost be custom-made for a FPS. It's a far cry from being useless; I'm not sure if I can think of a game that wouldn't work or that would be awkward with the Wii controller.

    Bah, why am I waiting? I'm sure some Nintendo fanboy knows how to get the Wiimote to talk to a computer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pianorain View Post
    I look forward to finding a good shooter for the Wii. The combination of controllers seems to almost be custom-made for a FPS. It's a far cry from being useless; I'm not sure if I can think of a game that wouldn't work or that would be awkward with the Wii controller.

    Bah, why am I waiting? I'm sure some Nintendo fanboy knows how to get the Wiimote to talk to a computer.
    It's already been done with Half-Life 2.

    http://wii.hl2world.com/
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