Just when you thought Bush couldn't surprise you...

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    BobMcGee123 I don't think you're aware of the fact that America has three branches of government which specifically limit the President's and others' power. So, no, he can't legally do /anything/ he wants.

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    He just did
    The programmer’s wife tells him: “Run to the store and pick up a loaf of bread. If they have eggs, get a dozen.”
    The programmer comes home with 12 loaves of bread.


    Originally Posted by brewbuck:
    Reimplementing a large system in another language to get a 25% performance boost is nonsense. It would be cheaper to just get a computer which is 25% faster.

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    > so that the $$ isn't the issue.

    You really think people spend millions of dollars running for president so they can collect a $400K/year salary? I'd imagine that's a pay cut to the vast majority of people running.

    > get rid of pork

    Dependent on Congress almost completely

    > remove the pay from the congress

    I'm pretty sure that's beyond the power of the President. Besides, he'd have to get them to approve it.

    > let the states pay the congress reps, in place of it coming out of the general Federal Fund

    I'm not totally against this, it's a neat idea

    > we get to set the pay rates of the reps.

    Last time I checked no one asked me what I wanted our state reps to be paid.

    > One that isn't a lawyer already -- ~90&#37; lawyer == crook.



    > Has a good record of being very moral.

    Who decides what's moral?

    > Raises children well -- kids are well behaved, and are old enough so that you and I see them well behaved throughout their life.

    How the heck does this affect a person's ability to govern the most powerful country in the world?

    > Sound financial practices within family/business</current political office>

    Definitely

    > Cannot easily be enticed based on the almighty dollar.

    Definitely, but good luck with that one

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    > Raises children well -- kids are well behaved, and are old enough so that you and I see them well behaved throughout their life.

    How the heck does this affect a person's ability to govern the most powerful country in the world?
    You really understand nothing of american society. If I were your president you and the whole liberals you represent would be shot on sight you scum.
    The programmer’s wife tells him: “Run to the store and pick up a loaf of bread. If they have eggs, get a dozen.”
    The programmer comes home with 12 loaves of bread.


    Originally Posted by brewbuck:
    Reimplementing a large system in another language to get a 25% performance boost is nonsense. It would be cheaper to just get a computer which is 25% faster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mario F. View Post
    You really understand nothing of american society. If I were your president you and the whole liberals you represent would be shot on sight you scum.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mario F. View Post
    He just did
    It is in the legal power of the President to pardon people. It's also something that Governors can do. Whether they should or not is a question of opinion, not legality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Govtcheez View Post
    Cristiano Ronaldo is the worst thing to happen to football since Mexico discovered the game
    The thing with trying to strike an argument with you is that sooner or later you will end up saying something that while even maybe not being true, I can' help but agree.

    bah!
    The programmer’s wife tells him: “Run to the store and pick up a loaf of bread. If they have eggs, get a dozen.”
    The programmer comes home with 12 loaves of bread.


    Originally Posted by brewbuck:
    Reimplementing a large system in another language to get a 25% performance boost is nonsense. It would be cheaper to just get a computer which is 25% faster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kennedy View Post
    It is the President's right to pardon anyone he chooses. This has been done numerous times in the past -- and on both sides of the political arena. For example, Alabama was to execute a guy from my town under the drug king pen laws, however, Slick Willie pardoned him to life in prison -- the stupid jerk.
    I don't know the details of this particular pardon, but this sounds like an example of appropriate use of presidential pardon. The executive is granted the exceptional power to override judges or laws on a per-criminal basis. Feeling that drug crimes did not merit a death sentence, Clinton exercised these powers.
    It gives the executive a check on the judicial and legislative. If you have a problem with it, you have a problem with the American system of government. I'm a fan of it personally.

    If you want something to compare it to something, compare it to Susan McDougal's pardon by Clinton, as she had possibly covered up for Clinton.


    In any case, I just hope that Bush gets raked over the coals for this. At the very least, he's going to be confronted with the question "Why" an awful lot.
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    I, for one, am disappointed that Libby only received a commuted sentence. He should have received a full pardon imo. The entire case was prejudiced against Mr. Libby because he was Cheney's aide.

    The whole case was a travesty of justice. The crime in question never occurred. If there was a crime, it was perpetrated by Richard Armitage, a liberal, who leaked the name in question to Novak. So why isn't Armitage charged with anything? Because there was no crime, and no intent to harm anyone.

    Throughout the investigation the administration put up with all kinds of accusations, specifically directed at Karl Rove, Bush's aide. Since the driving force behind this investigation could not go after Bush's aide, they went after Cheney's aide. Mr. Libby had no reason to lie. He wasn't even charged with a crime, and there is still no accusation of him actually doing anything wrong, other than lying for a crime that he never committed and actually never happened.

    Since the left-wing partisan investigation team couldn't pin anything on the Mario, they went for the Luigi. If this was just a game, it could be played, but the liberals in this case are playing with a man's life. Mr. Libby has an acceptional record throughout his entire life that is now tarnished by the rabid desire of the left to injure the Bush administration.

    Bush should have pardoned him because this should never have taken place.

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    Of course! It's a cabala against the good folks in power.
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    The programmer comes home with 12 loaves of bread.


    Originally Posted by brewbuck:
    Reimplementing a large system in another language to get a 25% performance boost is nonsense. It would be cheaper to just get a computer which is 25% faster.

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    It's nice you can joke about this when a man's reputation is being trashed because of political crap. I'm guessing you prefer to make fun of it because you lack the means and ability to debate.

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    Don't get personal mate. It's all right.

    However, I can't really debate with you. Not when your input to the debate has some pearls like "The whole case was a travesty of justice", "the driving force behind this investigation", "the left-wing partisan investigation team", and "rabid desire of the left to injure the Bush administration"

    You obviously have your mind made up and no manner of debate will remove you from your righteous and holly place. So, I move on to other matters and keep making fun of the whole affair.

    As for the reputation of the person in question, his verticality, honor, outstanding service sheet and medals and other nice things he probably has hanging at his office, I'm sorry if I don't give a rat's arse. ok?
    The programmer’s wife tells him: “Run to the store and pick up a loaf of bread. If they have eggs, get a dozen.”
    The programmer comes home with 12 loaves of bread.


    Originally Posted by brewbuck:
    Reimplementing a large system in another language to get a 25% performance boost is nonsense. It would be cheaper to just get a computer which is 25% faster.

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    >> Bush should have pardoned him because this should never have taken place.
    If I'm not mistaken, he was convicted by a jury and he was allowed to defend himself before that jury. They apparently thought he committed a crime.

    >> It's nice you can joke about this when a man's reputation is being trashed because of political crap. I'm guessing you prefer to make fun of it because you lack the means and ability to debate.
    If joking on a programming forum about a subject tangential to a discussion about a man who was convicted of a crime yet still has his health and family and will certainly not become destitute because of his situation is not appropriate, then at what point is it ever ok to joke? And since when is it required of someone who wishes to make a comment in a discussion to debate the topic in detail?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mario F. View Post
    However, I can't really debate with you. Not when your input to the debate has some pearls like "The whole case was a travesty of justice", "the driving force behind this investigation", "the left-wing partisan investigation team", and "rabid desire of the left to injure the Bush administration"
    I don't usually debate with people to change their mind. More often than not, I debate to change the mind of the people who are ignorant of the issues but watching said debate.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mario F. View Post
    You obviously have your mind made up and no manner of debate will remove you from your righteous and holly place. So, I move on to other matters and keep making fun of the whole affair.
    Would you prefer to debate a weak-minded opponent who is unsure of his present position? If you take a position on an issue, you should definitely think your position is right. Are you surprised I'm sure of myself?

    You can better tell if your position can withstand scrutiny, when dealing with a knowledgable and able adversary, though I do not claim to be one.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mario F. View Post
    As for the reputation of the person in question, his verticality, honor, outstanding service sheet and medals and other nice things he probably has hanging at his office, I'm sorry if I don't give a rat's arse. ok?
    This is a major problem imo, because too many people are willing to let Mr. Libby fry and rot because they just don't give a care.

    But such is life.

    Quote Originally Posted by Daved View Post
    >> Bush should have pardoned him because this should never have taken place.
    If I'm not mistaken, he was convicted by a jury and he was allowed to defend himself before that jury. They apparently thought he committed a crime.
    He was also limitted in his defense to said jury. Members of that jury also made statements which displayed a complete bias against Mr. Libby by stating that they believed Karl Rove was behind it all. That's stupid. Rove had nothing to do with it, and to say such as a juror for the case you've heard shows you to be a biased idiot.

    In addition, one jury memeber even said that they believed Libby should be pardoned. So there goes that.

    Quote Originally Posted by Daved View Post
    >> It's nice you can joke about this when a man's reputation is being trashed because of political crap. I'm guessing you prefer to make fun of it because you lack the means and ability to debate.
    If joking on a programming forum about a subject tangential to a discussion about a man who was convicted of a crime yet still has his health and family and will certainly not become destitute because of his situation is not appropriate, then at what point is it ever ok to joke? And since when is it required of someone who wishes to make a comment in a discussion to debate the topic in detail?
    It always amazes me that people start serious discussions here, and then when the subject matter reflects the seriousness of the subject, people revert to saying it's a programming forum, with a given reasoning being that we shouldn't discuss something from so serious an angle. Let's not start the discussion if we can't handle the seriousness of something. Many of us can be called programmers, and some pretend to be, but regardless, being a programmer has a prerequisite of thinking logically (to some extent). Such should enable us to hold political discussions with some level of seriousness.

    With that said, I just found it irritating that Mario is willing to make fun of a man that has dedicated so much of his life to public service, and yet was caught up in a witch hunt, where there wasn't any witch, at least not on the Republican side.

    Tell jokes. Make fun of the man's circumstance... Just do not expect any sympathy from the world if such an event befalls you.
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