View Poll Results: What religion do you identify with?

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  • Christian (includes Catholic, mormon, Christian Science, etc.)

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  • Buddhist

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  • Hinduism

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This is a discussion on Religion within the A Brief History of Cprogramming.com forums, part of the Community Boards category; Originally posted by gnu-ehacks There is a difference between murder and killing. The men were killed because of the things ...

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    Originally posted by gnu-ehacks
    There is a difference between murder and killing.

    The men were killed because of the things they had done. It is like when a man commits a terrible crime, you kill him. When you murder someone, it is not within the bounds of the law, and it is totally against what the word of God says.

    The 10 commandments say Thou shalt not MURDER, not thou shalt not kill.
    Sorry it too so long to reply, but my life got in the way and I had to do some stuff

    Also, I haven't read through all the posts (I know tsk tsk) but its late (for me) and I need to be at work by 0630 so I should be in bed by now but I wanted to check back on this thread.

    Anyway, back to the discussion at hand:

    How can there be a difference if both acts (murder and killing) when they reach the same end result - the death of another by another's hand.

    I see your point that it was justified killing because the were isrealites, yadda yadda yadda. It just seems to me that what the bible says is that as long as you kill in the lords name, you are justified. And this I disagree with.

    So just because the isrealites were worshipping an idol, and this so offeneded Mo, he orders brother to pick up sword and slay brother, and it is justified becuase it is in the lords name. I don't think so, it just doesn't sit right with me. Its as if it's okay if a person spits another so long as the person spitting has blonde hair, if the person does not have blonde hair than the act may constitute assault (I know bad example, but I'm tired and can't think of much else ), again, it doesn't sit right with me.

    That's all for now. Tomorrow, during one of my marathon breaks I'll come back and read through the responses again and see if I made any sense!

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    Ken, what do you mean when you say these swear words? Is it still wholesome? Do other people know what you mean when you say the words?
    What will people say if they hear that I'm a Jesus freak?
    What will people do if they find that it's true?
    I don't really care if they label me a Jesus freak, there is no disguising the truth!

    Jesus Freak, D.C. Talk

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    Drakken.

    You make good points here. Although, it is not always in the name of God that killing is not murdering...Take Osama Bin Laden. Would it be right to keep him alive, even if he is locked up in a prison cell for the rest of his life? It would be wrong NOT to kill him.

    If nobody was in the military, to KILL enemies, and stop terrorism, how would this nation survive? Without killing, this would be a pretty terrible world. Now, if you are killing because God TRULY tells you to, which I doubt He will, then it is justified.

    If you kill in the name of God, but God didn't truly tell you to kill, then it is wrong. A good example is the Christian Crusades. These were horrible injustices to Islam, and shoudl have never happened.
    What will people say if they hear that I'm a Jesus freak?
    What will people do if they find that it's true?
    I don't really care if they label me a Jesus freak, there is no disguising the truth!

    Jesus Freak, D.C. Talk

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    >>Take Osama Bin Laden

    And here we would be reffering to the man who "believes" that he is killing heathen murderers at his gods will. Explain how he is different from anyone else then?

    >>If nobody was in the military, to KILL enemies

    Key word: nobody
    If nobody was in the military and nobody killed enemies then there wouldnt be a need for them would there? I'm not saying this is in any way realistic, i'm just pointing out that we're all alike. The "other side" thinks the same things you do; That you are evil scum that deserve to die.

    >>A good example is the Christian Crusades. These were horrible injustices to Islam, and shoudl have never happened.

    And to be fair, its not fair for me (or others) to be constantly bringing them up as an argument against Christianity and their hypocracy. It happened a long time ago and its not like you had any part in it or believe in its ideals. I only bring it up to show the possabilities of things that could easily re-occure, and to demonstrate the failability of anyone, including (especially?) people of strong faith.
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    lightatdawn, I completely agree. If people would put asside their hate, then this world would be a lot better place, unfortunately that isn't the case. Also, with your Bin Laden statement, that is also very true. Although, even if us "infidels" are evil, we would still have the right to fight back...Am I right? It's self defense, which can be justified.
    What will people say if they hear that I'm a Jesus freak?
    What will people do if they find that it's true?
    I don't really care if they label me a Jesus freak, there is no disguising the truth!

    Jesus Freak, D.C. Talk

    -gnu-ehacks

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    lightatdawn, I completely agree. If people would put asside their hate, then this world would be a lot better place, unfortunately that isn't the case. Also, with your Bin Laden statement, that is also very true. Although, even if us "infidels" are evil, we would still have the right to fight back...Am I right? It's self defense, which can be justified.
    What will people say if they hear that I'm a Jesus freak?
    What will people do if they find that it's true?
    I don't really care if they label me a Jesus freak, there is no disguising the truth!

    Jesus Freak, D.C. Talk

    -gnu-ehacks

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    >>If people would put asside their hate, then this world would be a lot better place
    Absolutly. I dont have to believe in a god to be a good person. I would consider myself to be a 'good person'. I may not always obey every law (*cough* understatement *cough*) but i do hold myself to my own moral code. I've done things legally wrong but i've never done anything morally wrong.

    >>still have the right to fight back...Am I right?

    Of course. We cant all be Ghandi. I for one would not sit about to die or while others where dying. Although i would be quick to defend myself and others I am also quick to point out that both sides have reasons. There is rarely a purely evil and purely good side to anything. As long as we understand that we're fighting people, no matter how twisted they may be, then we can stop ourselves from sinking to that level. Sometimes we have to do things to survive that aren't otherwise justifiable.

    I apologise if my ideas appear to conflict sometimes. Perhaps i'm a Realistic Idealist.
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    >There is no god.

    HA! I can prove otherwise.....
    mfc2themax-Creator of all that is.

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    I believe in God of course, but I practice no formal religion. I think they tend to be controlling. I have yet to attend a church that was funded by God.

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    Your agruments are pretty one-sided. If God declares his will through a human being, all laws are unimportant. This is what you have been arguing about Moses and the slaying of the Israelites. Now, either this only comes to you as a special gift because you know who the real god is, or you aren't giving others the same rights and chances to do so.

    "God told me to go and punish the heathens. Take up your weapons and kill them all."

    This was said by
    a) Moses
    b) Osama bin Laden

    You've got 10 seconds... *meep* sorry, your time is up. Both answers are right.


    Your personal freedom, even the freedom of faith, ends right where it begins to hurt someone else.

    Open your eyes. If your god's will is to follow him blindly and without asking, why did he create you with a brain inside ? The real strength is not blindly believing. The real strength in faith is to ask all the questions, even the ones that are repressed by many, and still come out a believer. This is true faith. Not chanting the same sermon time and again.
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    Wow...I'm surprised!!!!

    By born I'm a Muslim (Islam is the Religion) ..
    but from my boyhood I was looking for Allah (God) ....

    and still searching.. so.. Until I get any understandable evidence of his/her/it's existence.. I donít think he is thereÖ..

    I voted for Atheist

    Because the meaning of Atheism is
    a. Disbelief in or denial of the existence of God or gods. b. The doctrine that there is no God or gods. 2. Godlessness; immorality.


    Wow...I'm surprised to know that Iím not alone, there are so many people around the world who believe religion was created as a means of control of weak minded individuals....


    Note for moderator: Please don't close the thread.. after a long time got a chance to discuss about it.
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    Angry Why not???!!!???

    >>Oh, by the way, please don't answer Tuxist....

    Why not? Maby Tuxist/atheist would be better?
    And 'cause I'm the first tuxist ever existed I have right to answer so...
    I was thinking of calling myself as a the Tux-messiah!

    LOL
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    >>There is no god. religion was created as a means of control of weak minded individuals....

    That's my oppinion too...
    Like I sayed in some other thread:
    "Religion is for the weak ones."
    Ofcourse I doesn't mean that you shouldn't believe in something. I think it's okay to believe in something if you don't start to "worship" some god or something...
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    Originally posted by mfc2themax
    >There is no god.

    HA! I can prove otherwise.....
    Please submit your papers..
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    It's hard to beleive in anything that is governed / preached by a population of people with a percentage of them being corrupt in some form or other.
    I think an easier question would have been what government do you beleive in?

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