Religion

Originally posted by Arias_One
ok, i have no clue if anyone has brought this up because i havnt read all 15 pages of this thread...

but Mr. gnu... im sad to say but you are going to hell

gnu-ehacks
31173 h4x0r

you claim to be a hacker which is illeagally gaining access to some ones computer and either stealing, doing harm, or being a peeping-tom

it is an equalibrium to breaking and entering at the very least (felony charges)

so if you really are a hacker.... i hope you like the heat because god will be cooking your arse

and if you arent a hacker... well, you lied and thats a sin (i think)

i beleive in god... i just dont know which god is the real god... i wasnt raised as one specific religion so i never goto church or anything.... naohs arch was found which is in one of those bibles so thats umm... cool....

but i just thought i would tell you about your evil hacker ways you 31337 h4x0|2 you...

and from personal experiance, i have found people that refer to themselves as h4c0|2z (and other leet speek ways of spelling hacker) to be nothing more than a script kiddie no pun intended if you actually are the next kevin mitnick you claim to be (now that guy deserves to be called elite)

this may sound like it but this post wasnt meant to be offending =)


:::FREE KEVIN MITNICK:::
http://www.kevinmitnick.com

i dont see why he would want to live when he gets out of jail (if the gov. doesnt put him back in like they want to) because he will be banned from using or telling anyone how to use a computer.... im sorry but that would drive me insane... yes computers are that important to me... oh god im a nerd... eh who cares... i wanna be one =)

We've had this argument, look for it. Basically, I can boil this all down to "you have the wrong information, bub" Not all "hackers" are perverted (which is actually the first time I've ever heard a hacker being referred to as a pervert, btw...) criminals...I hate it when people say that. It makes me want to reach out through space, smack them, and call them a retard repeatedly. Oh well

Hacking is not illegally gaining access to a computer. The government does it, but hey, theyr above the law. There are ways that are perfectly legal. LOOK IN THE Frickin dictionary.

one of the ones on MW dot FRICKIN com:
an expert at programming and solving problems with a computer

so, you think that 2 sins will send ya to hell huh? Well, Jesus died to take care of our sins, so if you believe in him you aint goin to hell.

for God so love the world he gave his only begotten son, that whoever believed in him shall not perish but have everlasting life. john 3:16

well- i was born as a catholic christian, and i stayed that way until about 4th grade when i then considered myself atheist (mainly because i didn't really believe and i also never went much to church - nor did my family take me there either).

Later in life, actually about the year 1999- so about 2 years ago give or take a few months, I found my new faith, Paganism. With Paganism, my beliefs were respected and there wasn't so much structure and strict beliefs destroying the faith in religion like catholicism had, so i stay pagan, and it works well for me.

oh by the way, i don't think it's a matter of perishing or having everlasting life if you believe in jesus, I myself (if i really believed in Jesus and christian beliefs anymore) would be much much, more concerned with the eternal life whilst burning in hell. That, i think, would be a much far worse thing-

Kudos for us, ken, and our arguement!! others- you are Foiled- again

>>Kudos for us, ken, and our arguement!! others- you are Foiled- again

I hope you're talking about the hacking argument, because I'm in no way pagan!

I don't know much about hacking, but I think that somewhere along the way, a couple of jerks misused the ability and did damage. I heard (don't quote me on this) that hacking started when people were having problems with their computer and they were 1000 miles apart. So, the computer savvy guy hacked the persons computer and saw the problem and fixed it. I believe that hacking isn't bad if you aren't bad. Hacking doesn't ruin computers, people ruin computers.

Garfield

Originally posted by bobthefish3
... I found my new faith, Paganism. ...

I'm glad I'm not the only Pagan on the list!

hacking didnt start when they were miles apart, it started when they were only a few feet apart at some college

check out http://www.hackers.com/new/Black_and_White.pdf

by the way, Im not a hacker.

here's something in a text file I've had for quite a while:

B) Old school hacking/history: Now we will take a small break from your hard work and I will explain some history to hacking as best I can. I, obviously, was not around for all this, but I will explain it as best I can. The earliest stages of hacking began with another art called 'phreaking' which is basically hacking the telephone system. Phreaking has been around as long as the telephone system, in fact, the first people arrested for any sort of hacking, no matter how prehistoric, was in 1897 when a few friends manipulated the existing phone networks to get free calls (well, telegraphs). Phreaking (as it is now known) really started in the early 60s when hippies wanting free calls figured out how to make a pay phone connect the call AND return the payment. Soon after, people figured out that the phones could be tricked into making free calls by emulating the 'confirmed' signal at 2600khz. Phreaking got more and more complicated and developed into what it is today (fun, but not the focus of this text). Hacking developed in the labs of MIT on their mainframe networks. MIT personnel made what they called 'hacks' to bypass complicated steps (and/or security). They where harmless as the only people who used that hacks where the people who had created the complicated steps. They bypassed their own security systems. But, in 1969, the largest, most significant event for hacking occurred in the small city of Urbana-Champaign, Illinois, inside the dim-lighted computer labs of the University of Illinois. ARPAnet was born. ARPAnet was a small network of about 20 or so computers, all hooked together for the first time, communicating and sending data using packet based networking. This was a huge step as now small 'hacks' of MIT geeks could be run over networks and gain information from many, many places, all at once. There where terminals all over the campus, people could ask for time in half-hour intervals to program and do various tasks. People used to program games ('StarTrek Adventures' was apparently popular). A few friends wanted to send messages to one another quickly across campus and to other buildings housing terminals. It was a brilliant idea, but they could not get authorization to make such a project, so they did it anyway. They quickly made their little tool and were happy with themselves. A way to communicate without using the phones and where able to do it quickly, cheaply, and efficiently. They called their invention electronic mail, or 'email'. Cool huh? Zoom forward a few years to 1981. This was a new era. An era when computer networks where good enough to have companies hooked and buying them to store data over mainframes but the networks where new enough to lack any kind of reasonable security. Thus large, penetrable networks (such as telenet) were common and soon thereafter crawling with hackers. These hackers where mostly harmless, not always because they where moral, but because little in the way of sensitive data had been moved to the computer. The U.S. government, the people who FUNDED the entire thing, where quick to pick up on the idea. Soon they created their own networks for various things, the most famous being MILnet for the military. Then in 1986 Congress sent a message to all hackers, indeed all people, with the 'Federal Computer Fraud and Abuse Act'. This gave anyone convicted of unauthorized access to any computer data 5 years in prison. Still though, hacking remained strong through underground BBSs and secrecy until it lost all credibility in 1993-94 when many people were busted by the Feds for doing very illegal acts. The harmless penetration was the majority, but it went undetected and no one heard about it. The ones the masses heard about where like Vladimir Levin, arrested by Russian police for stealing 10 million dollars from Citibank via the computer. An outcry against hackers erupted and the FBI engaged in a witch-hunt to root out all hackers. The people who had created hacking, the legends, where either arrested or went so far underground they where no longer heard from. This had a devastating effect on hacking. Now thieves flooded into the hacking world looking for riches. But without elders to learn from, they all became lazy script kiddies who wanted everything but gave nothing. No more great hacking texts where written, which fried all legit newbies efforts to learn (that's why I'm writing this now! =) ). Computers made huge progress. Hacking still popped up occasionally in the news and in magazines, but for the most part, the days of glory are gone. And so here I am now in 2001. Perhaps though I am getting worked up; for memory always glorifies the past and the people who tell their stories of the 80s may simply be living a dream... BAH! Enough of this! Lets get back to how to hack!

Yeah! I saw one of those documentaries on Phreaking. I think the lead guy was "Captian Crunch" because to trick the phone company, the toy in the cerial was the perfect pitch frequency.

I think Captin' Crunch was the one who could whistle at the 250 Hz (can someone verify this for me) pitch that was needed to get the call free, peope would call him to have him whistle to help them get their boxes working.

LoL!!! The comment about me and the hacker title...That's funny.

First of all, it was meant as a joke...Second of all, I consider myself a hacker, and if you know ANYTHING about try hacking, it is not as bad as the media likes to portray it as. All I do is participate in wargames, nothing illegal. It's just me learning more about computers and networking.

I'd suggest getting all the facts before saying something stupid.

>>I'd suggest getting all the facts before saying something stupid.

Oh no! That would remove 90% of the posts on the GD board!!

>>Oh no! That would remove 90% of the posts on the GD board!!

LoL

>>Oh no! That would remove 90% of the posts on the GD board!!

truer words were never spoken.

>>LoL!!! The comment about me and the hacker title...That's funny.

Yeah, I particularly liked the accusation of you going to hell for it...funny stuff