Staying vs Leaving the Middle East

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    This thread is retarded.

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    So is my little sister, she calls her self santa anna and gets french fries all over herself

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    Why don't we try this on the terrorists? Maybe if we beg them nicely, they'll leave us alone.
    Hmm, we can try it your way then, I'm done being nice to you. What I really think is that I've done a lot more military type stuff than you have, if you had gotten yelled at by the types of people I have you'd probably start crying, that unlike you I really would join the service if I felt I had found my calling (I nearly joined anyway), I wouldn't claim to support the war by arguing on a programming forum online , few here agree with you, there is not support back home, we will be out within two years, Iraq is and will be a failed state similarly to Vietnam, and once we're out we can bomb Iran.

    All I have to do now sit back and let events prove me right.

    There, I've taken the retalitory approach, which is what you wanted. Now I'm taking the approach where I remove this thread from what shows up when I enter the general discussion forum.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave_Sinkula View Post
    Should we extract the OT posts into a separate thread?
    Can you just delete the whole thread past Mein Kampf? I don't think this discussion is worth continuing elsewhere.

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    <<split from here>>

    Quote Originally Posted by Govtcheez View Post
    Can you just delete the whole thread past Mein Kampf? I don't think this discussion is worth continuing elsewhere.
    I'll wait to see if the interested parties still have any interest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Govtcheez View Post
    Can you just delete the whole thread past Mein Kampf? I don't think this discussion is worth continuing elsewhere.
    Invoking a little Godwin huh?

    Anyway, I was disappointed to see this wasn't a new thread. I thought it was going to be about somebody's personal decision whether to leave or stay. That would have been interesting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Govtcheez View Post
    Can you just delete the whole thread past Mein Kampf? I don't think this discussion is worth continuing elsewhere.
    Aw, that's not nice. I thought the posts here were well worth reading.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dave_Sinkula View Post
    <<split from here>>

    I'll wait to see if the interested parties still have any interest.
    From my end, I'd be more than happy to continue this discussion, although I think I've run out of political opponents already.

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    Invoking a little Godwin huh?
    Incidentally, is that not cool that there is actually a wikipedia page on Godwin's Law?

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    @MacGyver

    I am confused ..can you tell me once again why Americans troops are in iraq??
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    To prevent this, apparently
    the armies of the enemy march into your neighborhood.
    Which might be a valid point if we were fighting the Nazis or the Soviets or any other formal army, but we're not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by redche View Post
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    I am confused ..can you tell me once again why Americans troops are in iraq??
    At this point, American troops are in Iraq to assist the Iraqis in taking control of their own country.

    In addition, they are there to be fighting the very same terrorists that would be attempting to perpetrate terrorist acts on US soil and elsewhere if they were not otherwise preoccupied with Iraq.

    Quote Originally Posted by Govtcheez View Post
    Which might be a valid point if we were fighting the Nazis or the Soviets or any other formal army, but we're not.
    At this point, the enemy is not a formal one, although it is receiving the support and assistance of at least one such formal one.

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    > At this point, the enemy is not a formal one, although it is receiving the support and assistance of at least one such formal one.

    It must suck to be terrified of Iran invading the US. Think about how ridiculous that is for a minute.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Govtcheez View Post
    > At this point, the enemy is not a formal one, although it is receiving the support and assistance of at least one such formal one.

    It must suck to be terrified of Iran invading the US. Think about how ridiculous that is for a minute.
    I'm not concerned with Iran invading the United States. I'm concerned with Iran sending nuclear weapons into Israel and the United States and causing major carnage.

    The backing of a regime like Iran provides terrorist groups with means that they otherwise would not have, operating on their own. If a nuke goes off, I would not expect people like you to think it justifiable for the United States to launch one back at Iran, especially if Iran claimed that they had no connection with the group that set it off.

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    > I'm not concerned with Iran invading the United States.

    You were the one to bring up "enemies marching through our streets"

    > I'm concerned with Iran sending nuclear weapons into Israel and the United States and causing major carnage.

    If I'm not mistaken, Iran doesn't have any nukes, much less one that can reach the US. Israel can take care of themselves.

    > I would not expect people like you to think it justifiable for the United States to launch one back at Iran, especially if Iran claimed that they had no connection with the group that set it off.

    People like me? What the hell is that supposed to mean?

    edit: You know what? Forget it. I'm not going to waste my time arguing with someone who disliked the TV show MacGyver (of all things) based on the "liberal message". You've clearly made up your mind and are too deep into your persecution complex to ever change it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Govtcheez View Post
    > I'm not concerned with Iran invading the United States.

    You were the one to bring up "enemies marching through our streets"
    Yes, in response to Bob talking about "war mongrelling", which is an amusing term btw.

    I was merely offering one extreme statement vs another extreme statement.

    Quote Originally Posted by Govtcheez View Post
    > I'm concerned with Iran sending nuclear weapons into Israel and the United States and causing major carnage.

    If I'm not mistaken, Iran doesn't have any nukes, much less one that can reach the US. Israel can take care of themselves.
    They are working on it, but I'm glad you're confident that they will fail.

    And yes, Israel can take care of themselves.

    Quote Originally Posted by Govtcheez View Post
    > I would not expect people like you to think it justifiable for the United States to launch one back at Iran, especially if Iran claimed that they had no connection with the group that set it off.

    People like me? What the hell is that supposed to mean?
    People like any of the Mayors of Awesometown.

    Or perhaps I meant people that mock the threat that Iran poses.

    Quote Originally Posted by Govtcheez View Post
    edit: You know what? Forget it. I'm not going to waste my time arguing with someone who disliked the TV show MacGyver (of all things) based on the "liberal message". You've clearly made up your mind and are too deep into your persecution complex to ever change it.
    Your involvement of a discussion with me lasted from Today, 07:27 AM to Today at 07:54 AM, about 27 minutes.

    Oh, well. At least you lasted longer than Bob did.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MacGyver View Post
    At this point, American troops are in Iraq to assist the Iraqis in taking control of their own country.

    In addition, they are there to be fighting the very same terrorists that would be attempting to perpetrate terrorist acts on US soil and elsewhere if they were not otherwise preoccupied with Iraq.
    so what happened to :
    to disarm Iraq of weapons of mass destruction.
    to end Saddam Hussein's support for terrorism.
    and to free the Iraqi people.

    taking control of their own country.
    but usa gives Iraq to shia so we start read headlines like this "Shia police' kill dozens in Iraq" etc..
    and how could help Iraq by killing 655,000 ?!!
    in addition they were no terrorist in Iraq before 2003.


    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/grap...16/wtort16.jpg
    http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-imag...5/ghraib_8.jpg
    http://watch.windsofchange.net/pics/I5628-2004May05.JPG
    http://www.antiwar.com/photos/perm/abughraib2.jpg

    rap 14-year-old Abeer Qassim Hamza and shot and killed her and an her family
    http://www.rwor.org/a/053/iraqrape-en.html

    just imagine that Abeer is your daughter, or you are one of the prisoners above in picture.what would be your reaction ?
    they are there to be fighting the very same terrorists that would be attempting to perpetrate terrorist acts on US soil
    the SAME terrorists that created by the United States, Britain, Australia and Poland invasion of Iraq !!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by redche View Post
    so what happened to :
    to disarm Iraq of weapons of mass destruction.
    to end Saddam Hussein's support for terrorism.
    and to free the Iraqi people.
    First one, no weapons found. Second goal, mission accomplished. Last one, we're working on it.

    Quote Originally Posted by redche View Post
    but usa gives Iraq to shia so we start read headlines like this "Shia police' kill dozens in Iraq" etc..
    and how could help Iraq by killing 655,000 ?!!
    in addition they were no terrorist in Iraq before 2003.
    Well, since there's a majority of shiite, that's how the votes will most likely be split up. Statistically, it just makes sense if everyone is divided under those lines. That's what voting does.

    Under Saddam, you had the minority sunnis that were slaughtering shiites, so it wasn't all rosey before the war.

    As far as your reference to no terrorists being in Iraq, I would have to challenge that. I know people keep saying that al-qaeda had nothing to do with Iraq, as per the 9/11 Commission Report, but at the same time, Saddam was funding suicide bombings in Israel. He was definitely not helping the situation in the middle east, to put it mildly.

    Things like this happened under Saddam's rule. The difference is that the US tries those of their own that are charged with crimes. Saddam's government was explicitly behind the brutality of his regime, and did nothing to stop it.

    Quote Originally Posted by redche View Post
    just imagine that Abeer is your daughter, or you are one of the prisoners above in picture.what would be your reaction ?
    If my daughter was raped -- God forbid -- I would want justice done, and those responsible to be punished and put to death.

    Quote Originally Posted by redche View Post
    the SAME terrorists that created by the United States, Britain, Australia and Poland invasion of Iraq !!!
    I fail to understand this point. I keep hearing that the US is responsible for backing Saddam up in the past, and responsible for creating terrorists by formerly aiding the regimes that sponsor them.

    OK, so?

    Taking that statement to be true, to me that means that the US should be cleaning up their mess, which means that they did right in removing Saddam and invading Iraq, although I always hear it coming from the other side as if it's a reason why they never should have invaded in the first place.

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