Baaad news for me

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    At the moment they drew nazi symbols on 2 Estonian monuments, burned Estonian flags and they are still attacking Estonians. Riot police is doing their best.

    Some comments from youtube (censored):
    Quote Originally Posted by NewsPortal-comment
    ~~~~~~~~READ THIS~~~~~~~~ Estonia Killed Russian History , People who live in russia made this. That Statue was memory that we are free!!! **** ESTONIA!!!
    They've always been free. They have never been occupied in the whole history of Russia. Why do they make up these stories?
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    this is terrible news, i really hope your family and yourself turn out alright.

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    I hope too...

    Quote Originally Posted by BBC-comment
    I think I need to remind about the history. There was'nt such a country as Estonia before 1918! It was Lenin who decided to give the people living there their own country. Before that it was always a part of Russia. One can not talk about occupation of one's own territory! After the WWII the USSR made this country as a part of the Union without taking their independence off. They were a part of USSR as the Estonian Republic. What occupation you are all talking about???
    We had a country in 13th century already. We've always been one separate nation - nothing even near to russians. And WTF are they talking about? "Without taking their indepence off" - hundred thousands of soldiers, many Estonians killed and then 100% controlled by Russia, what indepence can we talk about it here?

    Quote Originally Posted by BBC-comment
    No wonder estonians felt that "soviet occupation" was worser then nazi's. they were allies of Hitler. Formed few SS divisions from estonians. Fought on Hitler side.
    They keep comparing Estonia to nazis...

    http://newsforums.bbc.co.uk/nol/thre...3800#paginator

    They are now demolishing in other cities too... Now tens of schools, large department stores and much more is destroyed. Plus one Estonian monument was put on fire.

    Luckily European Union supports us...
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    Terrible news, indeed. You are in our thoughts, and I'm sure I speak for everyone when I say I wish you and your family the best. Please keep us updated, and yourself safe.
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    Don't they have swat teams?

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    Can you own guns in Estonia?
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    Estonia is enforcing a "gun control" policy, but they aren't banned yet.

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    In Estonia for using a gun a license is needed.

    The Defence League also (a part of Estonian defence forces) also had to help, because there weren't enough riot policemen...

    Now it has calmed down, almost a thousand people are arrested, about hundred injured. There were about 15 injured policemen, because they moved in large groups.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6598269.stm
    That picture there is of the statue in its new location.

    We don't hate the monument. It was moved for the safety of Estonians:
    Quote Originally Posted by BBC-comment
    BBC has left out the most important of these events. The reason, why it was actually removed. Most Estonians would not mind noo much if theres some statue standing from Soviet times. But every year (more on past few years) the local Russians gather there, wave Soviet Union and Russian flags, shout how much they hate Estonia and Estonians. Also if somebody dared to show Estonian flag, the man was attacked. So you see why locals have learned to hate the statue as a place of anti-Estonian meetings.
    This is what I expect from all Russians:
    Quote Originally Posted by BBC-comment
    To be honest I do not care whether the monument is situated in downtown or anywhere else. On 9th of May I will go to the place the monument is situated and put flowers to the statues feet to show gratitude and respect to all those people who faught and died in the greates tragedy of the 20th century.
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    Estonians [...] were allies of Hitler. Formed few SS divisions from estonians. Fought on Hitler side.
    Yeah, sure. Just like Dutch, French, Danish, Czech and Norwegian SS divisions. All Hitler's allies. All on his side. Right ? Jeez, in '44 the Waffen-SS divisions would have taken a one-legged jewish communist from the Philipines if he'd volunteered. From an estonian perspective, the enemy of my enemy is my friend and that would probably have been the Nazis, but I don't think that Adolf himself would have considered anything east of Prussia worth being an "ally". He was a frothing madman, he had slaves, not allies.
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    Luxembourg was never a great defensive force against the german invasion and even if our entire country was invaded in no less than a few hours, I would hate to hear from foreigners that Luxembourg was an ally to nazi-Germany. There is a difference between having no other choice but to contribute and voluntarily agree to help.

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    Actually they call us fascists only because we are moving their antifascism (communism monument for us) monument to a safer place for Estonians. Anticommunist means fascist for Russians. There's very little information about Estonians actually fighting on nazi side.
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    The situation in Tallinn is now under control. Instead they are now planning to burn some other cities with molotov coctails - molotov coctails are handed out by some russians.
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    EU, Poland, Latvia, Finland and Lithuania support us. That means noone else than Russia accuses Estonia of moving that monument to a cemetary, where it is not dangerous for the local Estonians.
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    Lately, Putin seems to be about as Gung-ho as Bush. Personally, all I see in Putin is KGB and his polices seem to be all about suppressing any growth of democracy in Russia. Government opposition is silenced, free enterprises are seized and they (meaning Russia) recklessly supply high technology to dangeorus nations such as Iran and Korea. I think they do the later, just to cause the U.S. trouble, in spite of the potential danger that the policy may come back and bite them in the ass as well.

    Latest article seems to imply the things have settled down with regards to the statue uproar, hopefully it'll stay that way for you, maxorator.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oldman47 View Post
    Lately, Putin seems to be about as Gung-ho as Bush. Personally, all I see in Putin is KGB and his polices seem to be all about suppressing any growth of democracy in Russia.
    I see the first statement as about 175 degrees out of phase.

    For the second, I enjoyed this recent related article.
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