Help with Medieval Weapons

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    > they WERE used in fighting. The Roman Gladiators used them quite often (combined with a net).

    Good point. However, did you know that gladiators hated them? It was all that easy to the opponent to grab hold of the trident and the trusting power to force three spikes to bury past leather armor was too great. All it took was for one spike to be caught on a metal piece (like a rivet for instance), for the other spikes to not bury in.
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    Okies. And the armor list. If you detect anything wrong let me know. I'm most interested in new shield types.

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        Head: cap, coif, casque, basinet, helm, sallet, helmet, Great Helm
        Neck: choker, aventail, Gorget
        Arms: bracers, vambraces, spaulders, Besegews
        Hands: cestus, gloves, mitts, gauntlets, Gadlings
        Back: cloak, cape, shawl, Mantle
        Body: jacket, leather armor, tabard, studded armor, gambeson, brigandine, mail shirt,
              hauberk, breastplate, cuirass, scale mail, splint armor, full plate, Gothic Armor,
              White Armor
        Waist: sash, baldric, belt, Girdle
        Legs: leggings, greaves, Chausses
        Feet: sandals, leather shoes, boots, Sabatons
        Shields: buckler, targe, rondache, shield, kite shield, pavise, Crest Shield
    The programmer’s wife tells him: “Run to the store and pick up a loaf of bread. If they have eggs, get a dozen.”
    The programmer comes home with 12 loaves of bread.


    Originally Posted by brewbuck:
    Reimplementing a large system in another language to get a 25% performance boost is nonsense. It would be cheaper to just get a computer which is 25% faster.

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    [FO2]Power Armour[/FO2]

    This was probably asked before (I skimmed the three pages), but will your game have the functionality for a weapon to be used either one handed and two handed. I think there were some weapons which one could use in both two handed and one handed if you were buff enough.

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    Do I have to point a gun at Hobbes to make you read the past posts on this thread, Calvin?
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    Originally Posted by brewbuck:
    Reimplementing a large system in another language to get a 25% performance boost is nonsense. It would be cheaper to just get a computer which is 25% faster.

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    Sorry, Mario. Here's a good one - Boots of escapement!

    I will call down a mighty reckoning on you!

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    rofl! you crack me up!
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    Originally Posted by brewbuck:
    Reimplementing a large system in another language to get a 25% performance boost is nonsense. It would be cheaper to just get a computer which is 25% faster.

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    For the armor:

    Body: hide armor, jerkin

    Back: cowl, robe

    Shield: tower shield

    I don't quite sure about the robe. It can be put above the armor to conceal it. Yet, it can be used as a clothing also e.g. a monk's robe.

    Also, were there any jacket in medieval?

    For the weapon you've forgotten one: gladius, a single handed sword.

    PS: BTW, I've found out that twomers idea of adding Fallout's armouries to the list is kind of interesting. I wonder how a Fullplated warrior use Pancor Jackhammer as a weapon. Or a Claymore wielding knight wore a Power armor.

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    > Body: hide armor, jerkin

    Jerkin! Thanks!

    As for the hide armor, these is nothing more than a leather armor. Popular games try to make a distinction based probably on AD&D 2nd Edition. But it was always a mistake. Hide Armor are simply leather armors with another name.

    > Shield: tower shield

    Same. AD&D influence. There was never a tower shield. They were called instead Pavise.

    > Also, were there any jacket in medieval?

    Well, I'm sure there were, but probably not as a piece of armor, you are right My English betrayed me and instead of Jacket, it was Jerkin that I should have added as you first suggested. Replaced now.

    > Gladius

    Eek!
    Added, replacing Spartha.
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    Originally Posted by brewbuck:
    Reimplementing a large system in another language to get a 25% performance boost is nonsense. It would be cheaper to just get a computer which is 25% faster.

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    >>As for the hide armor, these is nothing more than a leather armor. Popular games try to make a distinction based probably on AD&D 2nd Edition. But it was always a mistake. Hide Armor are simply leather armors with another name.

    Well now, that's a new information for me. I thought they were different.

    More on the shield:
    heater shield, heraldic shield, bouche, aegis (although this one would fit as a unique)

    Armor: Ringmail, gambeson

    Arms: pauldron

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    Hide armor and leather armor ARE different. The difference is that hide armor is constructed of very thick skin or several layers of leather.

    The gladius is a good suggestion. I had suggested the drusus, which is a refined, higher-quality gladius.

    Mail shirt? I'm assuming you mean a form of chainmail on that one. Back then, it was simply known as "mail" to most soldiers.

    The broadsword is a weapon in and of itself. It was, if memory serves, the predacessor to the longsword. Both weapons require (and only have hilt space for) one hand. What you want in terms of a weapon that can be wielded with one OR two hands is the bastard sword, or certain greatswords (such as the claymore). The katana also fits (pun intended).

    For armors, it's hard to list splint without listing banded. They're roughly the same, except banded works better. Also, historians still debade whether splint ever even existed, as there is no real history behid it, and no proper depictions of any warriors or soldiers ever using it.

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    > Hide armor and leather armor ARE different. The difference is that hide armor is constructed of very thick skin or several layers of leather.

    Really. Hide armor is a myth. It's just a synonym for leather or armor made of skin of animals. Games made it popular probably to give an extra form of leather armor. But any kind of leather armor was simply called leather armor. Some leather armors were double and triple layered, some were padded, some were riveted. All were called leather armor.

    > Mail shirt? I'm assuming you mean a form of chainmail on that one.

    Nope. Mail Shirt. Smaller than an hauberk that protected just the torso and upper arms, instead of the hauberk's protection that included lower arms and legs down to the knee.

    > For armors, it's hard to list splint without listing banded. They're roughly the same, except banded works better. Also, historians still debade whether splint ever even existed, as there is no real history behid it, and no proper depictions of any warriors or soldiers ever using it.

    Yup. Removed. Splint was a piece of armor used in the arms during the 15th and 16th centuries.

    And thanks for the banded! Forgot that one. Added. It was mostly used in China, not in Europe. But it was a very good armor.
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    Originally Posted by brewbuck:
    Reimplementing a large system in another language to get a 25% performance boost is nonsense. It would be cheaper to just get a computer which is 25% faster.

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    For the head: what about mask or hat? BTW, what's the diferrence of helm and helmet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by g4j31a5
    what's the diferrence of helm and helmet?
    From an armorer's point of view, there is no difference; the words are interchangeable. "Helm" is merely a short form of "helmet". In the modern age, "helm" usually refers to an armored helmet, whereas "helmet" could refer to any kind of headpiece, such as an engineer's helmet.

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