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    Violence in any type of media format doesn't provoke someone to commit violent acts. Video games take the beating, of course. Mostly from soccer/"high-class"/rich/preppy Moms who think everything in the world is bad except their Mercedes and getting ****ed by their rich husband. It's ignorance. I've played Doom at the age of 5 with my Dad. It was something me and my dad could share together (we beat the game 3 times!). I'm 16 now and never got in trouble in any form, never even had a detention at school! Don't even get me started on that sack of **** Jack Thompson. I hope he dies real soon!
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    I was afraid that the Hulk Hogen would get me from the TV when I was a kid so I didn't watch wrestling much.

    Perhaps it should be banned from daytime TV on certain channels, but until 23:00 ... sounds somewhat extreme, in my opinion.

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    > Violence in any type of media format doesn't provoke someone to commit violent acts.

    That is incorrect. You can perhaps say that it shouldn't be attributed the blame and then we will agree partially. But there's too many documented cases in which it did provoke violence.... and death.

    It's important to stay focused here.
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    The programmer comes home with 12 loaves of bread.


    Originally Posted by brewbuck:
    Reimplementing a large system in another language to get a 25% performance boost is nonsense. It would be cheaper to just get a computer which is 25% faster.

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    Children are very impressionable, and as a result it's important to filter some of what they may encounter (TV, real live perhaps, etc), but filtering too much is just over protecting the child, which could be seen as worse. They may not be so inclined to kill someone, but that doesn't mean they're going to be ... socially savvy *.

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    > But there's too many documented cases in which it did provoke violence.... and death.

    I don't know of any concrete evidence that says video games or TV have definitely 100% led to deaths.

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    Of the top of my head, the Spanish kid that killed his parents and sister with a samurai sword basing himself on some sick interpretation of Final Fantasy VII.. Some forms of Rap influence on street gangs, that kid that killed himself over having lost his character in... what was it? Everquest? And the Brazilian soap actress killed by a viewer who thought she was too evil and deserved to die.

    2 of games, 1 of music, 1 of TV. 4 examples. Don't make me research links, please. Take my word for it.
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    The programmer comes home with 12 loaves of bread.


    Originally Posted by brewbuck:
    Reimplementing a large system in another language to get a 25% performance boost is nonsense. It would be cheaper to just get a computer which is 25% faster.

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    I don't that strong a point can be made of that. People who take art so litterally were bound to do something crazy regardless of the medium. You can't blame the artist for what peole extract from his art. The artist portrays his own vision, and from that vision people make their own. Deranged people see deranged visions. It's like blaming "A catcher in the rye" for the death of John Lennon.
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    Oh. I'm not making a point of it. It was just in reply from a statement from Sentral made a few posts above. Like I said then, it is one thing to discuss accountability. It's another different thing to deny entirely these things happen. One is debatable, even though we all seem to agree on a common view. The other is just plain ignorance,

    Of the 6.5 billion estimated out there in the world, it's pretty safe to assume there's some weirdos. If one guy in Germany (was it?) wants to be killed by a stranger on the internet and get eaten, I'm prepared to accept some people might just be a little too crazy over movies, or games, or tv shows, or music. Not because both stories relate. Simply because the latter almost seems like a normal thing in comparison.
    The programmer’s wife tells him: “Run to the store and pick up a loaf of bread. If they have eggs, get a dozen.”
    The programmer comes home with 12 loaves of bread.


    Originally Posted by brewbuck:
    Reimplementing a large system in another language to get a 25% performance boost is nonsense. It would be cheaper to just get a computer which is 25% faster.

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    To answer the original question, WWE programming is rated TV14 which means that people under 14 should not watch the show. As a parent you have the right to be concerned about what your daughter sees on television. Also, pushing it to a later timeslot does not hurt its American ratings. The debate sort of begins and ends here, unless you feel that the government stepping in and passing a law regulating television more is a restriction of your freedom.

    I personally don't see how it could possibly be so. You're still allowed to watch it, so it's not as though they banned wrestling altogether.

    Through observational learning, younger people can suppose that a violent reaction to stressors is acceptable. Of course this depends on other factors such as parental involvement, and how the person is educated concerning violence. If you were abused, you are 1/3 more likely to abuse your children as well (National Child Abuse Statistics, Cycle of Abuse ... ). If the violence kids are exposed to is more alike to a current situation, what they have learned makes them more likely to respond with violence as well. I doubt this is the case with wrestling since people are aware it is sports entertainment.

    > I don't allow my daughter to watch [wrestling].
    Be proud of this. It's the parent's responsibility to enforce any sort of Nielson-family approved (if I can joke :P) TV-viewing guidelines. And besides, pro-wrestling really blows arse. You may feel more comfortable letting your daughter watch luchadors (horrible spelling). WWE is a soap opera for men, imo, and drowning in too much pop-culture to be considered sport.

    When it comes to the subject of violence, people neglect that it is a natural response that which we are still capable of using. People may believe that a new law will solve the problem, but you still have to make sure that your kids go to bed on time until they're fifteen. And educate them on the subject of violence. Being able to explain why violence is wrong would really help them, I assume. We are no longer animals, but a sophisticated species facing entirely new challenges--ones that our bodies aren't equipped to handle. Teach them how to handle their stress so that their natural response doesn't get the best of them.
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    Here in Indonesia, there are 2 kids that died because they attempted to wrestle like in Smackdown. And it was already aired at 10 pm. So I think it doesn't matter anyway.

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    That is the one thing that ........es me off. After Owen Hart died, the WWE put out a bunch of Don't Try This At Home PSAs during their show, but then they stopped. There wasn't a reason to.

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    Mario, what age is your daughter?

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    She's 8. She comes home from school telling stories of the other girls who watch wrestling and know the names of all the fighters. She doesn't take any particular interest in it, so mum or dad didn't actually have to impose ourselves. We just monitor and make sure she won't gain that interest.

    I was mostly curious about how this show is wildly perceived. Other government attempts to legislate certain type of shows have faced a lot more resistance from the society in general than this one. That got me curious as to why. We aren't any notoriously resistant to USA less interesting imported materials. Although there's an historical preference to UK and national shows.

    Wrestling is to me very what Citizen pointed out. I add a few interesting adjectives when I'm in no particular mood to be objective. But basically I consider it cheap entertainment with no value whatsoever. I find it also slightly offensive the way it presents itself as a form of sports... But that's an whole story in itself.
    The programmer’s wife tells him: “Run to the store and pick up a loaf of bread. If they have eggs, get a dozen.”
    The programmer comes home with 12 loaves of bread.


    Originally Posted by brewbuck:
    Reimplementing a large system in another language to get a 25% performance boost is nonsense. It would be cheaper to just get a computer which is 25% faster.

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    And i always thought that mario was a 16 year old kiddo
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