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    >> Name a few.

    Well one game crossed my mind, Dungeon Siege. The story was plain, the gameplay was standart. I think Diablo was better. Well IMHO none of today's game could par the old gems such as Baldur's Gate, Planescape: Torment, Fallout, Ultima series, and System Shock.

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    > I think Diablo was better.

    Diablo, with all its depth of "click click click click loot click click click click level"? At their core, they're very similar games.

    The RPGs you noted are all very good, yes, but there are other modern RPGS with a good amount of depth - Morrowind and Oblivion, to name a couple. How about the KOTOR series? Or, if you want D&D, what about NWN 2?

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    > OK, some of you guys seem to be totally lacking a sense of humor.

    Mine has its days. It helps if you don't extend your sarcasm for more than just one post. People start believing in it. Your fault. Moderate you impulses there, stud.

    As for the oldies... no, you didn't have depth in old console games. You simply couldn't. The current technology wouldn't allow you. So, it's not possible to compare them on that particular characteristic. Don't go there.

    I think most people speak of oldies as late 80 and early 90 PC games. I have No Mouth and I Must Scream, Zork, Eye of the Beholder Series, Ultima, Civilization, Legend of Zelda, X-Com, SimCity, Castle Wolfenstein 3D, Doom, Master of Orion, The Ancient Art of War series, Dune, etc...

    These games weren't stupid. Calling them stupid is really putting one foot in one's mouth and shooting themselves in their other foot. If you were joking, fine.
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    The programmer comes home with 12 loaves of bread.


    Originally Posted by brewbuck:
    Reimplementing a large system in another language to get a 25% performance boost is nonsense. It would be cheaper to just get a computer which is 25% faster.

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    Govt should really start using sarcasm tags....or that nifty eye-rolling smiley.
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    I'll give to Gov on one thing. It's hard to take seriously a 14 year old kid that is trying to say old games were stupid. Had I caught that and I would have probably used sarcasm too.
    The programmer’s wife tells him: “Run to the store and pick up a loaf of bread. If they have eggs, get a dozen.”
    The programmer comes home with 12 loaves of bread.


    Originally Posted by brewbuck:
    Reimplementing a large system in another language to get a 25% performance boost is nonsense. It would be cheaper to just get a computer which is 25% faster.

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    Diablo - click fest part 1 with graphics
    Diablo 2 - click fest part deux with prettier graphics

    Diablo series - click fest guaranteed to ruin a mouse every 3 months and give you carpal tunnel.


    Out of my growing collection of over 265 games, most of them I probably could have done without. Out of this bunch only a few make it into my personal hall of fame.

    1. Crusader: No Remorse
    2. Crusader: No Regret
    3. XCOM: UFO Defense
    4. 1942: Pacific Air War
    5. Privateer series
    6. Silent Hunter 1 and 3 (2 sucked)
    7. Jane's WW2 fighters - way ahead of its time - amazing
    8. European Air War - nuff said
    9. MS Combat Flight Sim 2
    10. GTA 3, Vice City, and San Andreas
    11. IL2 Sturmovik: Forgotten Battles, Aces Expansion Pack, and Pacific Fighters
    12. Novalogic Delta Force 1,2
    13. Novalogic Joint Operations:Typhoon Rising and Escalation expansion pack
    14. Sims 1 and expansions
    15. Sims 2 and expansions
    16. Peter Molyneux's Black and White (revolutionary at the time) and Black and White 2
    17. Microsoft Flight Simulator series (including 1.0 by Bruce Artwick of SubLogic)
    18. Spectrum Holobyte's GATO (first WW2 sub-sim I know of), and Falcon 4.0 (nuff said)
    19. Lead Pursuit's Falcon 4.0 Allied Force (remake of Falcon 4.0)
    20. EIDOS Omikron:Nomad Soul (revolutionary in the day)
    21. Medal of Honor:Allied Assault (not Pacific Assault)
    22. Half Life series
    23. Unreal series
    24. No One Lives Forever series (just plain fun)
    25. Tom Clancy's Rainbow 6 and series
    26. Kings Quest series
    27. Almost all of the early Infocom games
    28. MicroProse Pizza Tycoon
    29. Papyrus NASCAR and Indy racing sims (definitely not the current EA)
    30. GTR and GTA legends (awesome race sims)
    31. Broderbund's 'The Orient Express'
    32. The first Tombraider (accelerated on my good old Rendition Verite card)

    There are more but....

    And for landmark hardware moments:

    1. SoundBlaster series of cards - brought computer audio to where it is now (accelerated the games industry)
    2. Rendition Verite hardware accelerated video card (one of the first)
    3. Good old Voodoo video cards - (cheap, fast, and great performance)
    4. Pentium CPU (started the current CPU craze - landmark moment in CPUs)
    5. Intel 8086 and 8088 (started it all)
    6. AMD Athlon series (brought AMD from mom and pop to multi-million dollar company)
    7. Intel 80386 - the protected mode revolution
    8. Intel math-co processor 80287 (great idea, great execution, and great performance in the day)
    9. ASUS series of motherboards. Problems in the mid 90's but overall an outstanding all around performer.
    10. Microsoft Sidewinder Precision Pro
    11. CH Products peripherals (absolutely the best)
    12. And of course Western Digital and the now 'bought-out' Maxtor.


    The true 3D guru that started the entire 3D craze and accomplished more with clocks <=4.77MHz than some today do in 3GHz:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mario F.
    I'll give to Gov on one thing. It's hard to take seriously a 14 year old kid that is trying to say old games were stupid. Had I caught that and I would have probably used sarcasm too.
    I'm a little confused here. Who's a 14 year old kid? I'm 25, if you were talking about me.

    > EIDOS Omikron:Nomad Soul (revolutionary in the day)

    What was revolutionary here? I'm not doubting you, it's just that I only know like one person who ever played this game. I don't know anything about it.

    edit: Also, I didn't extend the sarcasm for more than that one post. In fact, my very next post was asking about the sequel to a classic adventure game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Govtcheez
    I'm a little confused here. Who's a 14 year old kid? I'm 25, if you were talking about me.
    Maxorator, not you. You explained that you were making a joke at the fact he was implying pre.Win95 games were stupid.

    Quote Originally Posted by Govtcheez
    Also, I didn't extend the sarcasm for more than that one post. In fact, my very next post was asking about the sequel to a classic adventure game.
    Correct. But with your defense of games lack of depth not being a recent development (which I entirelly agree with you) coupled with the fact I thought you were not being sarcastic about that "stupid games" bit, it was easy for me to put everything in the same bag.
    The programmer’s wife tells him: “Run to the store and pick up a loaf of bread. If they have eggs, get a dozen.”
    The programmer comes home with 12 loaves of bread.


    Originally Posted by brewbuck:
    Reimplementing a large system in another language to get a 25% performance boost is nonsense. It would be cheaper to just get a computer which is 25% faster.

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    OK, so we're on the same page here.

    Let's go get a soda

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    The programmer’s wife tells him: “Run to the store and pick up a loaf of bread. If they have eggs, get a dozen.”
    The programmer comes home with 12 loaves of bread.


    Originally Posted by brewbuck:
    Reimplementing a large system in another language to get a 25% performance boost is nonsense. It would be cheaper to just get a computer which is 25% faster.

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    >>Diablo, with all its depth of "click click click click loot click click click click level"? At their core, they're very similar games.

    Can't argue with that. It's just that it's one of the pioneer (beside the sadly unpopular Cadaver among the few) in isometric games action/RPG. That in my point of view count for a plus for originality. And that what makes it better than the rest.

    >>The RPGs you noted are all very good, yes, but there are other modern RPGS with a good amount of depth - Morrowind and Oblivion, to name a couple. How about the KOTOR series? Or, if you want D&D, what about NWN 2?

    Well, I've only played Morrowind, the first KoTOR and the first NWN. It's true that they were good, but I somewhat felt that something was missing when I played those new games. I missed the uniqueness like multiple ending in Planescape: Torment and Fallout series, the romance between character and NPCs in Baldur's Gate, or the twisted storyline in System Shock 1 and 2 (thank god they are released as abandonware now even though I've been struggling to play System Shock 2 in XP). Games nowadays are just straightforward and plain with lots of eye candy.

    Morrowind has a good gameplay and a vast world. Too vast actually because I often find myself lost in the wilderness and became bored with it. KoTOR have a good storyline though it's predictable. I can see where it's going even in the middle of the game. The goodside maybe in the racing minigame and upgrading stuffs. And NWN is also a good game. But if I have to compare it with the other DnD or similar RPG in the past, I have to put it in the lowest rank. The game is too linier. Any option I took in the conversation didn't have any effect to the game itself. Completing the henchmen's side quest didn't gave any advantage beside a better artifact.

    Ahh, I miss the day when Microprose, SSI, TSR, Sierra, Lucas Arts, Origin, etc were the kings. Luckily I can still play their games in dosbox now. So I'm not too sad now. Although it's better in the old days. Nothing beats playing X-Com 12 hours straight just to hunt a sectoid leader to research psionic. Been there, done that.

    >>Let's go get a soda

    Can I have a hot coffee please? I prefer hot beverages than a cold one.

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