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This is a discussion on Processor within the A Brief History of Cprogramming.com forums, part of the Community Boards category; I'd take an AMD FX or and AMD anything running at 2GHz anyday. X2 is their dual core 64-bit but ...

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    I'd take an AMD FX or and AMD anything running at 2GHz anyday. X2 is their dual core 64-bit but FX is the bad boy to have.

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    When you start to have things like speculative instruction execution, out of order execution, and now parallel execution, a single number representing the clock speed isn't really telling you that much about what's really going on.
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    And when the 'pipe' is bigger as in 64-bit you can get a lot more done with a lot less cycles.

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    Thanks guys,

    I think the only thing that lets an AMD X2 down is the fact that many softwares nowadays run as a single thread and to truly exploit the dual core features they must run in as two threads.

    I guess that X2 is the next big thing too,,

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    > I think the only thing that lets an AMD X2 down is the fact that many softwares nowadays run as a single thread
    But there's usually more than one process right?

    So one CPU heavy process runs on one processor and the other runs something else. I quite like still having a usable machine when one processor is fully loaded doing some task.

    There aren't that many processor-bound applications which are readily able to be implemented in parallel. Sooner or later, some kind of I/O gets in the way.
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    Its a good idea to ask in pcguide forum, core hardware board.
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    Well I've been building my own PCs for nearly 15 years and I'm A+ certified (if that counts for anything ...which in my book it doesn't) and it is my feeling a programmer should be intimately acquainted with the hardware he is using (that sounds really bad I know so no jokes).

    Most of the people here know hardware and know it well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by psychopath
    That is a little messed up isn't it. Maybe they're trying to say that it runs like a 3800Mhz processor (if it were an Intel)..or something?

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    I've always heard that's the reasoning for the naming of their chips. Because the general consumer will see the intel saying "P4 2.8ghz" and the AMD saying Athlon XP 2800+, and think, "oh They much be the same speed, cause the numbers are the same. I'll get the AMD then cause it's cheaper."
    This isn't really cheating by AMD though, as it's keeping the really difficult stuff of trying to understand that AMD can run 12 calculations per cycle where P4 can run 8 per cycle. I think it's something like that.

    AMD is cheaper, and faster. They have much better customer service than Intel, and tend to last longer(In my experience). ASUS and AMD are the dream team of computer hardware.

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    Let me be the first to jump off of AMD's bandwagon and suggest an Intel chip. Intel's most recent line (Core 2 Duo) chips are the best things out on the market right now (assuming you can afford them). Not only do they have the best performance, but they also have the best performance/power consumption ratio.

    Take a look at this comparison for more information on how it stacks up against other processors. You can use the "index" drop-down box on that page to see more comparisons based upon application performance, power consumption, 3D rendering, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bithub
    Let me be the first to jump off of AMD's bandwagon and suggest an Intel chip. Intel's most recent line (Core 2 Duo) chips are the best things out on the market right now (assuming you can afford them). Not only do they have the best performance, but they also have the best performance/power consumption ratio.

    Take a look at this comparison for more information on how it stacks up against other processors. You can use the "index" drop-down box on that page to see more comparisons based upon application performance, power consumption, 3D rendering, etc.
    That comparison doesn't take into account the ability to overclock. Given enough power and cooling the FX will overclock to infinity(well not quite, but it gest up there). Also, you must realize that AMD has been working on the next step up for some time now(hence the lag in their chips, allowing Intel to jump ahead). Give it a few months and they'll be back in the lead again.

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    That comparison doesn't take into account the ability to overclock. Given enough power and cooling the FX will overclock to infinity(well not quite, but it gest up there). Also, you must realize that AMD has been working on the next step up for some time now(hence the lag in their chips, allowing Intel to jump ahead). Give it a few months and they'll be back in the lead again.
    AMD has stated they won't be moving to 65nm technology until the first quarter of 2007. As long as they continue to have 90nm of space between their transistors, they won't be able to put out a chip as efficient as the Core 2 Duo. In the mean time, Intel has already demonstrated a working 45nm chip.

    I am by no means a fanboy of either company. I just research whatever chip is best when I am in the market for a new processor (as I happen to be right now).

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    My little brother runs a AMD 3800 and I run a 2.8ghz Intel. Both systems have 1 gig of ram, but mine does better on the Super Pi test. And that is in a clean boot in DSL with the toram option set.

    Just an observation... my computer was a gift and that is why it is an Intel... otherwise I am not sure which I would have gotten.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bithub
    AMD has stated they won't be moving to 65nm technology until the first quarter of 2007. As long as they continue to have 90nm of space between their transistors, they won't be able to put out a chip as efficient as the Core 2 Duo. In the mean time, Intel has already demonstrated a working 45nm chip.

    I am by no means a fanboy of either company. I just research whatever chip is best when I am in the market for a new processor (as I happen to be right now).
    cool. Didn't know about the 45nm chip. That's pretty awesome. It doesn't help in my quest for enlightening the general public that just cause it says "Intel Inside" or DeLL on it, doesn't mean it's made of gold, butterflies, and boogers. So for that I smite THEE!.

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