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This is a discussion on Is this board good for political discussions? within the A Brief History of Cprogramming.com forums, part of the Community Boards category; Originally Posted by siavoshkc When you talk about history, you should come with proof. Proof is not some old jars ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by siavoshkc
    When you talk about history, you should come with proof. Proof is not some old jars here.
    Well we surely cant "come with proof" by telling it to you. Get down to Africa and visit some museums, YES they do have that over there as well. When you get to these museums take the time to read/watch everything and contemplate. Yes I just wrote "read"... there are old texts to be found in these museums as well, and they are probably already translated for you into english or french since most of these African countries have french or english as official language. ( then I talk about, written tales, stories, and yes even peace treaties with other kingdoms :-o )

    There is more then just a couple of jars down in Africa ....

    I feel very sorry for you that I have to quote myself again.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ganglylamb
    Anyway , there are alot of misconceptions by non Africans about Africa and vice versa as well.
    Admitted, it's not a fairly cheap "come with proof" but at least you'll be convinced that there were great civilizations in the past down there. The world is bigger then you think, get out of your shell and start exploring this globe.

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    Admitted, it's not a fairly cheap "come with proof" but at least you'll be convinced that there were great civilizations in the past down there. The world is bigger then you think, get out of your shell and start exploring this globe.
    Just give me that UN money, I'll buy an airplane ticket.

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    Anyway I think it really doesn't matter if they had advanced civilization in the very past or not.
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    If it doesn't matter, why did you brought up the subject?

    I lived in Angola for 4 years in work, btw. And I always had a mild interest in ancient civilizations. Not Greek or Roman, but... ancient. Africa harbors a rich history that you need only to explore from text books, to understand what I am going on about. Even before your precious Persian Empire, Africa had seen already kingdoms and empires come and gone.

    As for the current state of affair, it is my take the situation is mixed. We are talking about countries that for the most part have only enjoyed half a century of indepence. Of countries that were decolonized abruptly leaving the decision to who would run them to the ethnically divided societies. Of countries that were redrawn with a ruler after the 1st world war. Of countries that have to face the powerful government supported agriculture of the western countries effectively making African products more expensive in the international market, and of countries that are ruled by dictators democratically ellected. Yes... the contradiction of the late 20th century.

    There is nothing wrong in Africa that we Europeans haven't brought them. Centuries after Centuries of slavery, unfair trade, resource plundering and border engineering with no regard to the continent history and its ethnical differences.

    And yet, Siav, we are talking of the most rich and abundant continent in the world. Make no mistake. We are talking of the oldest continent in the world. Where human history began. So go to a good library, grab those books and marvel at the amazing history of this continent that had human beings living in cities, contrary to popular belief, way before the Persian Empire, way before Mesopotamia.
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    Even before your precious Persian Empire, Africa had seen already kingdoms and empires come and gone.
    Persian Empire was not the first empire in Iran.

    There is nothing wrong in Africa that we Europeans haven't brought them. Centuries after Centuries of slavery, unfair trade, resource plundering and border engineering with no regard to the continent history and its ethnical differences.
    Of course Europeans have brought many bad things to many places. But you can't say all poorty of Africans is because of this.

    And yet, Siav, we are talking of the most rich and abundant continent in the world. Make no mistake. We are talking of the oldest continent in the world. Where human history began. So go to a good library, grab those books and marvel at the amazing history of this continent that had human beings living in cities, contrary to popular belief, way before the Persian Empire, way before Mesopotamia.
    Amazing history or amazing story? These nation are more older that can have any effect of their current situation.

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    It is really not important that who is the oldest.
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    >>[invisibility]twomers, you have some of the best ideas. [/invisibility]
    Thank you Some credit goes to dwks though. Only some, but I'll get it back!!

    >> When you talk about history, you should come with proof. Proof is not some old jars here.
    Em, look at my response to you first!!!

    >> Admitted, it's not a fairly cheap "come with proof" ...
    Like GanglyLamb has been in space at least once! Even on the moon! But I think it was a fake, cause he took off his face mask!

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    >>Like GanglyLamb has been in space at least once! Even on the moon! But I think it was a fake, cause he took off his face mask!

    Now now, actually the "you just killed me now" back then was a joke. Without anyone knowing ( this is a scoop people ) I'm an alien in human disguise, ive not been to the moon 'once' I go there every evening to have fun with my other alien friends ( of course this is on the dark side of the moon ).

    Really twomers you disapoint me by not trusting me, and everything was just working out fine between us ...

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    >>When you talk about history, you should come with proof. Proof is not some old jars here.
    Em, look at my response to you first!!!
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    I don't have a proof to prove there were no kingdom in Africa. So what? They did exist? Anyway it is not important.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GanglyLamb
    Now now, actually the "you just killed me now" back then was a joke. Without anyone knowing ( this is a scoop people ) I'm an alien in human disguise, ive not been to the moon 'once' I go there every evening to have fun with my other alien friends ( of course this is on the dark side of the moon ).
    I spend the best part of an hour (five minutes) looking for that Far Side Cartoon where the zorgs on the Moon point out the Zorg on Earth.

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