Minimum Wage Increase (US)

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    There were some changes in Wales just recently but I can't remember what they were. I don't pay much attention to that sort of thing.

    Maybe I should start to since it'll effecting me in less than a year


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    >> Maybe I should start to since it'll effecting me in less than a year

    Wow! You're moving to Min wage!! Congrads! Is the min wage the same throughout the UK?

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    >>Also, In Ireland, it's legal (and done a lot), to pay under 18 year olds a lot
    less than the min wage!

    Let's tell the world about our crazy laws!!! May be just a little off topic, but ye
    might find it entertaining - I do, but then it hurts, as you'll see...

    In Ireland, there are a number of rates which can be classed as "minimum."
    You are not "legally" allowed to work under the age of 16, (child labour laws),
    but when you do begin working you are at present entitled to 5.36. This is the
    low rate. Ireland has a really high cost of living, and inflation and borrowing are
    massive, so this isn't a lot of money.

    When you turn 18, you get voting rights, and are essentially "emancipated," at
    which point you get a raise to a minimum of 6.12 for your "first" full year of
    work, despite the fact that you could have been working for the last 2 years.
    In your "second" full year, you go up to 6.89. After working for 2 full years
    while being over the age of 18, you are finally entitled to the real minimum wage
    of 7.65 - still not a lot, but minimum isn't supposed to be.

    So as you can see, they don't count your work if you're under 18, it's like you
    don't matter because you're a child essentially, but when you become 18,
    an adult by irish law, they say that you are an "inexperienced" worker, and you
    have to work your way up to minimum wage. No employer is legally obligated
    to pay you minimum until you are at least 20. It should be noted that no other
    rights are awarded at this age (for example we are allowed drink alcohol at the
    age of 18 as well).

    The reason? Cheap work. We have quite a large young population in Ireland,
    who themselves are breeding like rabbits - the teenage pregnancy rates are
    almost akin to 2nd world countries. This keeps spitting out young workers,
    and the cycle continues, so why not exploit this fact? Pay them pittance, so they
    can get dead end jobs and keep employers wage overhead down!

    The last paragraph is my observation, but all the figures are correct, and the
    teen pregnancy rate is statistically high for an EU country. But wait - there's
    more!!!

    1. In Ireland, you can get a provisional licence (driving permit) at the age of
    17, and until a few years ago you neither had to have had driving lessons, nor
    take any test that shows you know the rules of the road (these have since
    been fixed, but still...) You can get up to three of these, allowing you to drive
    for nearly 10 years I think (not sure of the details there). The first permit says
    that you must have a fully licenced driver in the car with you at all times, for the
    second one you don't, and for the third one you must be accompanied again.
    Why? If you drive a car into a brick wall, there's very little an experienced driver
    can do to stop you!

    2. In Ireland, you can apply to get your full drivers licence, fail the test, and go
    outside and drive home. I don't believe there's a cap on the number of times
    you can fail, as I know a person who failed 3 times, and passed the 4th.

    3. In Ireland, we don't have real laws against human trafficking - people get
    away with it all the time - no prosecutions.

    4. In Ireland, our government wanted to intoduce an electronic voting system
    which cost 50m, but it didn't work due to a number of design flaws, no
    paper trail etc, and at the moment, the machines are costing something like 2m
    to keep in storage each year.

    5. In Ireland, you don't go to the public hospitals unless you have a death wish,
    or a really strong desire to sleep on a chair for a really long time (up to a week
    in a few cases) while you wait to be treated.

    6. In Dublin, the Irish capital, the average price of a house (we tend to buy
    property as opposed to leasing. We don't live in apartments either) was
    200,000 five years ago. Today it's over 400,000.

    There are many more double standards and stupidities, and I could keep going,
    but it's getting too long now. I don't want to sound anti-patriotic, because I
    really love my home land (there are good things about it I promise), but are
    all countries this "stupid?" We are one of the strongest economies in the world,
    but also one of the most inequal...
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    I kid you not,
    RichieT lies not!

    This is a bit
    overkill on the
    whole word
    wrap. Hmmm,
    However, the government and the news people sometimes frown upon trafficking! Sometimes .

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    Quote Originally Posted by twomers
    I kid you not,
    RichieT lies not!

    This is a bit
    overkill on the
    whole word
    wrap. Hmmm,
    However, the government and the news people sometimes frown upon trafficking! Sometimes .
    You just don't like it cos ethic agrees with me!

    Ireland - you couldn't make it up if you tried!
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    I don't know, the different layers of min wage are more up to the owner/manager than a requirement. But as every shop is a capitalist nation of its own, nobody gets paid as well as it should.

    But you do see that the word wrap thing isn't needed ... unless you 'ultra comment' ... right?


    EDIT - you forgot to mention the cost of Car Insurance, Rich!

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    >>But you do see that the word wrap thing isn't needed ... unless you 'ultra
    comment' ... right?

    But I like it - it's my post and I'll wrap if I want to!!!

    Car insurance is one of the many things I could get into, same as needing ID to
    get in anywhere unless you look like you're 50, but last of all, what about the
    supreme court ruling last month or so? You know, the one that overturned that
    really important law, and that man who was guilty of the crime got free - the
    topic is a little bit too heavy for this forum, but that was really serious.
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