Peak oil update

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    "These facts come from a 1983 article by Bernard Cohen."

    1983.

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    Are you actually suggesting that a person much smarter than you who says essentially, "Nuclear energy, assuming breeder reactors, will last for several billion years, i.e. as long as the sun is in a state to support life on earth," is simply wrong now because he wrote it in 1983, a mere 23 years ago?

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    Ok, does anyone here read the mag 'Focus'? It's a kinda science/tech mag which I read in my breaks in work (I work in a Tesco's). Either way, I read in it today that ... I'll just do a direct quote:

    Quote Originally Posted by FocusMag, August 2006
    64,000 man-years of work will be spent building the UK's new fleet of 10 nuclear reactors. But the Nuclear industries Inspectorate admits it is finding it hard recruiting a workforce to meet the demand
    Not too sure if this is relevant, but I saw someone complaining about Nuclear somethings, and I though that article, or snippet was interesting, so i thought I'd post.

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    If (when) the world ends its natural oil reserves, I don't expect it to come peacefully. However, the answer is not on this or that solution. But will be in fact on the combination of several alternate energies that are a reality already today.

    Solar energy will not "save the world", as much as nuclear plants, or ethanol, or electricity... What will guarantee the sustainability of our lifestyle is most probably a combination of them all and a few more that will certainly be researched in the meantime.

    So I find it a little mute to be discussing here what will replace oil in the future. Although... this is just my opinion.
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    Originally Posted by brewbuck:
    Reimplementing a large system in another language to get a 25% performance boost is nonsense. It would be cheaper to just get a computer which is 25% faster.

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    I just did some research on Cohen, he's my hero!
    From Wikipedia:
    "When Ralph Nader described Plutonium as "the most toxic substance known to mankind", Cohen, then a tenured professor, offered to consume on camera as much Plutonium oxide as Nader could consume of caffeine, the stimulant found in coffee and other beverages, which in its pure form has an estimated LD50 of 13-19 grams for an adult human. Professor Cohen maintained that the radioactive substance would pass through his intestinal tract unabsorbed."

    Interesting, twomers. Here's a web article http://www.nei.org/index.asp?catnum=3&catid=1295, it's wierd that there would be a shortage. People aren't scared of radioactivity are they?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mario F.
    If (when) the world ends its natural oil reserves, I don't expect it to come peacefully. However, the answer is not on this or that solution. But will be in fact on the combination of several alternate energies that are a reality already today.
    No, there will be one immediate solution, brought to you by the same people bringing you oil today. These big oil companies aren't going to disappear when the oil runs out. They have several alternatives stored away that they can go to at any time. As soon as they feel they need to, they will. They have too much money and too much power in the energy community to let anyone else take their place.

    Since we're on a programming forum, I could probably compare this to Microsoft and Linux. Yes, there are better alternatives than Microsoft, but they're too big to be pushed down. As soon as the public needs something that Linux offers and MS doesn't, then Microsoft will patch it onto their system.
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    ^^ That would be nice, but how do you know this will happen? And how come nobody other than the oil companys found this alternative energy?

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    They have found them. That's why the oil companies have them.

    Over the past 20 years, every alternative energy solution has been bought out by oil companies. Seriously, if someone offered you $50,000,000 for your idea, wouldn't you give it to them? If you didn't they would simply produce it quicker than you would, anyway, and get all the credit while you get nothing.
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    >> Interesting, twomers ... People aren't scared of radioactivity are they?

    Just a quote from focus, which I trust. Does anyone read it? It's great, and interesting.

    Hmm, lets put it this way. I wouldn't drink Plutonium like I do coffee, cause even if it did pass through my intestinal tract unabsorbed, I would probably turn into a hypochondriac in the process.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SlyMaelstrom
    They have found them. That's why the oil companies have them.

    Over the past 20 years, every alternative energy solution has been bought out by oil companies. Seriously, if someone offered you $50,000,000 for your idea, wouldn't you give it to them? If you didn't they would simply produce it quicker than you would, anyway, and get all the credit while you get nothing.
    Well what are they?

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    If I knew, I'd be $50,000,000 richer, wouldn't I.
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    Depends on what kind of alternatives you're looking for. You can get as weird as you want.

    Try this:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikola_Tesla

    A lot of people believe the Wardenclyffe Tower (see the "Later Years" section) was his attempt to provide free electricity on a large scale. J. P. Morgan supposedly stopped funding the project when he heard the word "free".

    If you want a modern scientist's work on "Tesla technology", try this:
    http://www.free-energy.cc/

    If you want the cheap, bootlegged version of the previous link, try this:
    http://cgi.ebay.com/Free-Energy-Secr...QQcmdZViewItem

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    Quote Originally Posted by SlyMaelstrom
    If I knew, I'd be $50,000,000 richer, wouldn't I.
    But what I'm saying is how do you know they have one?

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    Too speculative Sly. Sorry mate... but... ya know.
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    The programmer comes home with 12 loaves of bread.


    Originally Posted by brewbuck:
    Reimplementing a large system in another language to get a 25% performance boost is nonsense. It would be cheaper to just get a computer which is 25% faster.

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    The reason oil companies have alternatives is because it's good business practice. Maybe not all of them, but I'm sure someone brought up at one of the board meetings "Uh-guys. This oil thing won't last forever".

    BP has changed their name to BP ("British Petroleum" changed to "Beyond Petroleum"). I'm sure they're prepared in some way.

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