CLI threads allowed or not?

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    CLI threads allowed or not?

    I knew it would happen and here come the flood of threads concerning CLI.

    We do not accept Java questions, VB questions, etc, and since CLI is not part of C/C++ and is more about MS marketing a platform, should we consider CLI questions as valid posts on this forum?

    CLI is not C++ and to mix them like this:

    C++/CLI

    is just hideous.


    I for one do not feel like treading on this ground. If we allow it, be sure we will begin trending away from pure C/C++ code and more into what MS thinks it should be.

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    We don't have problems answering questions on third party libraries, MFC, ATL, COM of any kind, QT, wxWidgets, DirectX, OpenGL... so why not CLI ? It's a bit more than a third party library and I think it's not really worth learning even if it is better than Managed C++ by about... a gazillion, but if people want to do it, I won't hinder them. I'll point them to pure C++ or C# though because there's a 95% chance that one of those is the tool they really want. C++/CLI is really good for interfacing between C# und C++. For the rest, pick only one and stay with it
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    >> by about... a gazillion

    You know, I could never quite quantify that number

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    >should we consider CLI questions as valid posts on this forum?
    CLI is a Windows-specific framework, so questions concerning it should be posed on the Windows forum. That I don't have a problem with because it fits the purpose of the Windows forum. However, I feel that the C++ forum looks at "pure" (ie. standard and portable) C++. Questions of a non-portable nature are better suited to the Windows, Linux, Game, or Networking forums. The same goes with C, though C# is more of a gray area...I constantly wonder why we have a forum for C# anyway.

    As such, if I feel a thread would be better suited on another forum according to those guidelines, I'll move it. Simple, ne?
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    C++/CLI is its own language, with its own language standard even. I think it should get its own forum, just as C# did.
    All the buzzt!
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    >I think it should get its own forum, just as C# did.
    Personally, I think that the C# forum has no place on this site. It just promotes confusion. On the other hand, CLI with C++ could warrant its own forum, though it could also fit easily into the Windows forum, imo.
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    I agree, "Managed Extensions for C++" is a misnomer, it shouldn't be called C++ because it's not ANSI or even close to it. Creating this "language" was a foolish move IMO. Using C++ to implement the CLI is like trying to cram a square peg into a round hole.

    We could do away with the C# board too. It's a great language for .NET but this isn't a .NET forum.

    What we need though, is a Graphics/Multimedia programming forum.

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    Maybe not my place to vocalize my opinion, but I too agree with what seems to be a somewhat general opinion that C# and CLI have no place in Cprogramming forums. If anything Objective C and Walter Bright's D would be much better and closer to C choices. Although arguably not so popular.

    Maybe the .Net framework with all its new standards and languages could be moved to one forum or at least reside on it's own board.
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    Reimplementing a large system in another language to get a 25% performance boost is nonsense. It would be cheaper to just get a computer which is 25% faster.

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    >Personally, I think that the C# forum has no place on this site.

    I couldn't agree more, putting a board up for a language because it has the letter "C" in it is a bad idea. Having a C# board and refusing a Java board is a double standard.

    Maybe we should put up a Cobol board, it has a "C" in it too.....

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    PASCAL has a C in it too! So does VISUAL BASIC!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wraithan
    VISUAL BASIC!

    Heretic ! I demand a cleansing !!! Lock the thread, quarantine the board, burn the remains, scatter salt on the ashes !!!1eleven.
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    >> ... and refusing a Java board is a double standard.

    Well, this forum spurts from a cprogramming webpage, not a javaprogramming one. I think that the mere idea of having java on this forum defeats the purpose of it, but on the otherhand, people may learn something new from it. It wouldn't bother me either way what forums there are here, as long as people post in the right places!

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    >spurts from a cprogramming webpage, not a javaprogramming one.

    Thats the point, C# is not a cprogramming language. (Despite having the letter 'C')

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    I'm being honest here, I don't know anything about C#, so this is new(s) to me. Why does it have the 'C' if it's not a Cprogramming language?

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    >Why does it have the 'C' if it's not a Cprogramming language?
    Because Sun would sue Microsoft if they spoofed a variation of Java. It's a marketing ploy. Come up with a name that's mnemonic, well known, and suggests similarity with an exising language that everyone likes.
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