Hollywood please just make movies.

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    Hollywood please just make movies.

    Well in the past 6 months I've gone to two movies that were nothing but one side's view of how the other side's view is going to destroy this or that.

    C'mon when I go to a movie I don't want to watch C-Span or the Presidential Debate and I don't give a ........ about the actor's, director's, or janitor's political view, shoe size, clothing preference, or anything else related to their life. Most of the actor's in the public limelight border on insane so why should I give a crap about what they think. In fact, I don't give a crap about what they think.

    So just make movies and stop trying to prove a point. Please....just make movies because you are good at that......you are not good at making the theatre a political platform.

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    Which movies? Actors have been voted as governors of California and Minnesota as well as President, so maybe people do care about their politics. Wikipedia has a list. Theatre has been used to raise political and social issues for thousands of years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by anonytmouse
    Which movies? Actors have been voted as governors of California and Minnesota as well as President, so maybe people do care about their politics. Wikipedia has a list. Theatre has been used to raise political and social issues for thousands of years.
    You will only ever see that happen in America.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sand_man
    You will only ever see that happen in America.
    Monty Python did political satire. It's not just a US thing, it's global... except for some countries in the Middle East and Central America, where they kill you for saying something negative about their leaders.

    I personally agree, though, Bubba. Somewhere during the Bush administration, the average joe in america decided that they would be more political and side with one of the parties (though, they declare they're moderates) and all the sudden the demand for politics boomed. Except, god forbid they sit down and watch the real news, they need action movies and fake news comedy shows to tell them what is true.
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    Yeah everything should be apolitical. Also we should just have one leader who decides what's best for all of us because politics sucks.

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    I enjoy homosexual cowboys.

    Which is why I voted Bush.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bubba
    Well in the past 6 months I've gone to two movies that were nothing but one side's view of how the other side's view is going to destroy this or that.

    C'mon when I go to a movie I don't want to watch C-Span or the Presidential Debate and I don't give a ........ about the actor's, director's, or janitor's political view, shoe size, clothing preference, or anything else related to their life. Most of the actor's in the public limelight border on insane so why should I give a crap about what they think. In fact, I don't give a crap about what they think.

    So just make movies and stop trying to prove a point. Please....just make movies because you are good at that......you are not good at making the theatre a political platform.
    You know you could do something crazy like read the reviews to find movies that aren't political. Crazy isn't it?

    I'm taking an intro film class and we watch "Crash" which was a really good movie that if you take a few minutes to think about you can see the message. Heck we spent around 30 minutes arguing if the cop was racist or not.

    Entertainment and politics have been interwoven since the dawn of both. Heck look at the orginal Star Trek. Almost every epsoide was a solical commetary. Entertainment can be used to rewrite history too. Suffered an embarassing lose? Have some type of entertainment to distract the masses while telling them how you mercifully allowed the enemy to live.

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    Personally I agree with Bubba. If I wanted to learn about issues, I'll get books on them and/or read the internet. I go to the cinema to get away from reality and I don’t want a bunch of overpaid, over-privileged media bods selling me their political world view.

    It seems most films are more like polemics these days, which is a shame.

    My advice, only go see a film if it has:

    Werewolves,
    Vampires,
    Lycra clad women with great bodies,
    Zombies,
    Space Travel,
    Anything related to Hobbits or Jedi.

    That way, you should be un-molested. Anything else, ignore the message!

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    >>fake news comedy shows to tell them what is true.
    Hey, easy on the fake news comedy shows. ;p
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fordy
    My advice, only go see a film if it has:

    Werewolves,
    Vampires,
    Lycra clad women with great bodies,
    Zombies,
    Space Travel,
    Anything related to Hobbits or Jedi.

    That way, you should be un-molested. Anything else, ignore the message!
    But most of these movies you mention are just dripping with social commentary and political statements. Especially the Space Travel movies!

    LotR and Star Wars was so full of poitical/religious statements I was amazed they were in this list! They are very blatant!

    How about talking animals like Narnia? Don't they belong on the list?

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    Quote Originally Posted by WaltP
    LotR and Star Wars was so full of poitical/religious statements I was amazed they were in this list! They are very blatant!
    I always aim to amaze!

    As every work of fiction is written by someone, and everyone has views, then the work will include a hint of them. If you put it formally, then pretty much every statement uttered by a human offers a point of view, but I wasnt being so philosophical as that!

    I dont recall Gandalf talking about the Palestine/Israel question, and I'm damned if I have ever heard Yoda talk about Kyoto. And that's the way I like it!

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    I have a book on the philosophies presented in LotR. Its pretty freakin heavy actually. And most movies don't run right up and tag an issue, its all about alluding to or taking something to an extreme. But yes if you look hard enough even movies like "Spies Like Us" or "True Lies" have a social commentary.

    Also from what you wrote it appears you think that books aren't biased, but really they can be even more biased.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thantos
    You know you could do something crazy like read the reviews to find movies that aren't political. Crazy isn't it?
    Amen. IMO, if you're laying down your money for a product you know nothing about, then decide you don't like it - tough. With admission prices what they are today, who's going to a movie knowing nothing about it?

    If I want to look at drawings purely for entertainment, I go here. If I want social commentary, I'll go here. If I don't want to look at one of these sites, I just don't go to them.

    Film is a form or art. You wouldn't ask a painter, sculptor, writer, or musician to stop creating in ways that comment on some social condition, why should film be any different?

    There are plenty of 'fluff' movies out there. Too many IMO. There is a market for both, so both is what we have. Like Sly said, since now suddenly people give a pseudo-f**k, there are lots of movies out there to fill that demand.
    There is a difference between tedious and difficult.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Decrypt
    Film is a form or art.
    Film is a service industry. It's entertainment, which is why it's currently very openly political. It's the hot ticket these days and they want to service the viewers. I'm not talking about a reference to a political message in a comedy or an action movie. I'm talking about movies who's sole purpose is to get political messages across. Unfortunatly, I haven't been able to get with the mainstream appeal to political movies so I've been going to movies less, lately.
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    I disagree that it's a service industry. Entertainment doesn't imply service - movies are a product of the film industry. Hollywood creates a product that we can take or leave, like Rockstar makes games we can play or not play. I don't think Rockstar employees get 1/2 off drinks and no cover on service industry night.
    As we've both said, the market is there for politically charged movies, so here they are. If you don't like those movies, don't spend your money on them. If enough people don't spend money on them, they will go away.
    There is a difference between tedious and difficult.

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