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    The print version of the film version? If the later then god help you!
    Film version. What can I say, I have a nonsexual man crush on Sean Connery.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thantos
    What can I say, I have a...sexual man crush on Sean Connery.
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    I think that the news media has mutated into such a combo of marketing and fiction these days and this is having an opposite effect on the entertainment industry.
    Movies with a political message are only being made/distributed because they make money.

    No longer are news programs interested in reporting the facts in an impartial way to let the viewer decide the issue, as is the major tenant of good journalism. News programs are more interested in selling product, which can be the news program itself, a political view point or its presenters.

    Look at the recent trouble a few cartoons caused. Media all over the planet said we have to publish these to protect free speech.
    No one mentions that the Scientology episode of South Park was not shown in the UK as it was considered offensive to Scientologists (the 'Chef' quit over the episode...)

    As to movies with a social conscience, I suppose you all hated the X Men movies as it was a commentary on racism?
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    No longer are news programs interested in reporting the facts...
    Agreed, however, the movies are not exactly the definition of factual information either. It is fiction unless otherwise stated in which case it's probably exaggerated non-fiction. Getting facts from movies is not a good practice IMO.

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    >>Getting facts from movies is not a good practice IMO.

    Niether is getting the facts from news programs IMO.

    A Pipa study showed over 60% of Fox News viewers held serious misconceptions about Iraq (ie found WMD). This was under 20% if you watched public/community TV (PBL?).
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    The fact that you do not quote the obvious inaccuracy of other sources is rather revealing.

    I agree public radio is much more accurate than any other source, mostly because they are funded by grants and listeners and therefore are not subject to airing what sells. CNN and FOX both are so huge and have their hands in so much, they both only air what sells for their sponsors and for what supports them or the ideals of their sponsors. TV ain't cheap and I bet the overhead of both of those news agencies is enormous. They probably cannot afford to air what PBS could for fear of sponsor fallout.

    At least the people on this board realize that most popular news sources are not reliable. Also that movies are just that....movies - fictional or semi-fictional accounts. But there are people out there that base their political view and world view on what the media tells them instead of doing research on their own, which is scary.

    I don't support one party or the other and frankly feel both have abandoned the people of the US in favor of bigger money on both sides of the issues, while the little guys, known as the workers, continually get slapped by the corporations with lower wages, cut pensions, inadequate and/or poor or non-existent health care, and more and more. I'm quite dissatisfied with the entire government entity. However, I do love my country and since I live here I know the government is not really who we the people are......but sadly the world only sees the government and I cannot blame them for hating what they see. Hell we hate what we see but many people feel there is no way to change it. It seems no matter who is in charge, things never get better - the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. Both parties in the United States have lost their common ground with the average American citizen. It's a great country ran by a select few (closer to an oligarchy than a democracy) who are not so great. I don't think there is anyway we can accurately represent who we are with so many misrepresentations of the average American male or female being broadcast worldwide.

    A third party would be nice but they would be squashed by the big two for fear of losing their share of the power. But we desperately need a third party to actually represent the people, the lady that gets up at 8 am and goes to work to feed her 3 children and then come home and be a full-time mom. The man that simply wants to provide a decent healthy living for his family, a solid education for his kids, and a comfortable retirement for him and his wife to enjoy. The student who works 40 hours a week to make ends meet; goes to school full-time as well and is getting deeper and deeper into debt as school programs are swept out from under him. These have been forgotten.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thantos
    Film version. What can I say, I have terrible taste in movies.
    There we go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bubba
    Agreed, however, the movies are not exactly the definition of factual information either. It is fiction unless otherwise stated in which case it's probably exaggerated non-fiction. Getting facts from movies is not a good practice IMO.
    Yeah... Galaxy Quest shows what happens if you believe the media...
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    >>The fact that you do not quote the obvious inaccuracy of other sources is rather revealing.

    Which other sources and reveals what? (I don't mean to be obtuse but I don't understand what you meant)

    I did not think you would know whom I ment if I mentioned Ray Martin or Today Tonight (Australia's version of O'Rielly(sp?)).
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    Quote Originally Posted by novacain
    Which other sources and reveals what? (I don't mean to be obtuse but I don't understand what you meant)

    I did not think you would know whom I ment if I mentioned Ray Martin or Today Tonight (Australia's version of O'Rielly(sp?)).
    He means where's the mention of James Carville (or perhaps the Austrailian version of James Carville) skewing the facts. I would have to admit, it is fairly revealing for you to single out a specific party for misquotations. He continues what he meant by that statement further in his post.


    Quote Originally Posted by Govtcheez
    Quote Originally Posted by Thantos
    Film version. What can I say, I have terrible taste in movies.
    There we go.
    Heh... and here we're talking about the media misquoting people.
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    >>James Carville

    Who? From google he is a democrat spin doctor.

    I mentioned only the news stations with the highest and lowest values from the Pipa survey. Seemed no point in listing them all.

    But here they are...
    FOX 80%
    CBS 71%
    ABC 61%
    NBC 55%
    CNN 55%
    Print 47%
    PBS NPR 23%

    This means you can not trust about half of what you see on the news.
    A very sad state of affairs. Which was my point.



    The PIPA survey

    http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pi...t=102&lb=brusc

    http://www.heartheissues.com/mediaspin.html
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    Those surveys have a long history of spin themselves. I personally find it humorous that people could read a media article on how the media lies to you and then believe it.
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    >>Those surveys have a long history of spin themselves.

    Sure. Look at the Gallup (comercial) poll on the Patriot Act compared to the PIPA version.

    Gallup 69% think that the Patriot Act is 'about right'
    PIPA 65% think the Patriot Act goes too far
    One has to be wrong but which one.

    PIPA is considered one of the more trust worthy as you can look at the questions asked and it is a not for profit organisation.

    I think this can be seen from the fact that some of its directors (ie Fred Steeper) are former/current pollsters for both the Bush presidents.
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    Everyone is missing the crucial fact that while certain media entities tend to be 'inaccurate' or 'biased' or what have you, the United States Government, on the whole, doesn't control what media you have access to (i.e. compared to china, which can censor google search results). Subsequently, you can feel free to indulge in national public radio, fox, cnn, BBC, canadian news, ethiopian news, whatever. If you accept any one single news source it's probably because of biases you already have, and therefore the problem of 'brain washing via biased media' is less significant.

    And I agree with everything Bubba said in his long post above.
    I'm not immature, I'm refined in the opposite direction.

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