Java as a Main Language in College Won't Do Good

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    Java as a Main Language in College Won't Do Good

    I know it's an old issue, but his argument is an enjoyable read.
    http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articl...vaSchools.html
    source: compsci textbooks, cboard.cprogramming.com, world wide web, common sense

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    and their skills are useless
    And Java is so useful for maintaining mainframe databases.

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    I was being sarcastic. If you think the kind of stuff they teach at MIT is useless, I'm going to laugh when you find out how much companies are willing to pay for someone who can maintain their programs written in System 370.

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    What are you talking about? One second you're saying that skills from MIT are useless and now you're saying "each to his own" if you think BASIC is the greatest language?

    The only thing that matters is who gets the money.
    Compare average salaries for a System 370 programmer and a Java programmer. Now I'm not saying Java shouldn't be taught in college and that System 370 is the end-all-be-all, but it's a pretty crazy statement that skills from MIT are useless, that's all I'm saying - even if it was just an exaggeration.

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    According to Salary.com

    The median expected salary for a typical Java Developer in the United States is $76,256.
    The median expected salary for a typical Systems Engineering UNIX/NT Manager in the United States is $87,227.
    Several places you could classify a System 370 programmer - the specific company I'm thinking of would use it closest to the above description. You could also go for plain "Mainframe Programmer", in which the general average is about that of Java programmer - you can be sure System 370 programmers would be in the very top of that pay scale.

    Not as good as I thought - but still - you're WAY off of useless there.

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    Alright I've totally lost your point here...

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    And how does that relate to one language being more useful than another?

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    But you wouldn't be able to tell from their salaries, right?

    And MIT probably teaches you how to edit posts.

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    Now what kind of idiot hires people who have degrees with nothing to do with what you're working on? That is completely irrelevant. Java programmers are geared more towards writing applications. The kind of people who go to MIT are probably more interested in research and more scientific computing. If you're saying an MIT degree is useless for doing the same thing as a regular Java programmer, than of course, but in the field of Computer Science and IT in general, you're being completely ridiculous.

    Do you just like saying "big business" and "small team" or what?

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    The last laugh

    http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/1997/jobs.html

    There goes your "inability to lead in business" theory.

    Wayne M. Ayers, chief economist of BankBoston, said, "In a national economy that is increasingly emphasizing innovation, these findings extend our understanding of how MIT has been instrumental in generating new businesses nationwide.
    Oh, and your belief that MIT students are gullible and unable to think for themselves.

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    Well then I guess I better go to MIT. I want to be on their side when the robots take over the world and steal all the jobs from third world countries.

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    Oh! I get it! If I want to make millions (or at least my first million, which is all that really matters), I need to form my own business--and not work for someone else! Wow, I never realized that by taking more risk the rewards could be higher.

    Ok, sarcasm aside, I think most programmers have at least some aspiration to start their own business with some product that they've written. It would make an interesting poll at least, and also interesting to see how many followed through with it, and how many were "successful"--whatever that is.
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    Hey Dean, what's up? Enjoying your return?

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    Something about those double and triple posts does seem familiar...
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    What kind of thread is this ? Someone flunked the MIT acceptance test ?
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    I'm pretty sure I should go write an application in rpg now, my lack of proficiency in it is a good indication a company will pay me more.

    Too bad he didn't graduate from some other school so he could think for himself and orbitz would actually be succesful, no one uses it right? >_>
    http://www.franz.com/success/custome...itastory.lhtml

    edit: also I'm pretty sure ai takes a lot of unique and abstract thought.
    Last edited by valis; 12-30-2005 at 02:35 AM.

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