What really bothers me about the katrina fiasco

This is a discussion on What really bothers me about the katrina fiasco within the A Brief History of Cprogramming.com forums, part of the Community Boards category; Originally Posted by: Thantos Ok so in the last 50 years the oceans have warmed 1 degree. Milankovitch cycles ....occurs ...

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    Originally Posted by:Thantos
    Ok so in the last 50 years the oceans have warmed 1 degree.
    Milankovitch cycles
    ....occurs once every 26,000 years....
    from the prementioned site

    so 1 degree over 50 years is a lot. The earth would be resonable to start heating if we where in an Ice age...but even if we were instead for the 26,000 years for the climate change with this rate it would occur in 2,500 year.

    I don't support that heat change will cause Ice age as many scientists do, but there are certainly going to be consequences

    interesting statistics

    iam pasting tthree interesting ones

    Average price of a gallon of gas:

    Sweden $4.85
    Denmark 4.46
    United Kingdom 3.56
    Germany 3.05
    Netherlands 3.02
    Japan 3.01
    Canada 1.40
    United States 1.07
    Energy Units of oil burned annually:

    United States 791.5
    European Community 501.4
    Japan 234.3
    Germany 108.5
    United Kingdom 81.3
    Canada 80.4
    Netherlands 24.1
    Sweden 16.3
    Finland 11.1
    Norway 9.3
    Denmark 9.0
    the most overcrowded overpopulated country is not on the top
    Percent of all paper and cardboard recycled:

    Netherlands 62.0%
    Japan 54.4
    Germany 37.0
    Denmark 32.0
    United Kingdom 13.0
    United States 8.4
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    The reason for our (Sweden) high gas price is the extreme, massive amounts of tax we pay on gas.

    Right now, we pay 5.24 USD for a gallon of gasoline (price varies quite a lot all over sweden, but that's the average price). Out of those 5.24 USD, only 2.14 USD make up for the actual cost of the gasoline.

    The cost (2.14 USD) covers:
    * Some dude pumping it out of the ground.
    * Some dude transporting the crude to a refinery
    * Some dude refining it
    * Some dude transporting it from the refinery to Sweden
    * Some dude transporting it to the gas stations
    * The miniscule profit margin for the gas station.

    The tax (3.1 USD) covers:
    Absolutely nothing.

    The swedish government is raking in 8 779 631 000 USD per year on gas-taxes alone. To put it into perspective, every hour the goverment earns 1 003 386 USD. One million dollars an hour that goes straight into their pocket.

    So americans? The next time I hear you ..........ing about your high gas prices, I'm coming over there and I'm slapping you.

    So, now that we've covered that interesting point, what on earth has it got to do with global warming, pollution or the US government's inability to help its citizens?

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    It's not our fault your government is ........ed up.

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    did anyone see the new southpark episode, it makes fun of the whole katrina fiasco and the whole global warming crap

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    Quote Originally Posted by kungtotte
    So, now that we've covered that interesting point, what on earth has it got to do with global warming, pollution or the US government's inability to help its citizens?
    It has nothing to do directly...but nowaday things are so "complex" that one has to spot indirect relations in order to make sense.

    Two things are for sure.
    • The money that they spend on various wars etc could go into fortifying and generally preparing cities.

    • Taking measures against global warming and the such ...could prevent such disasters. Even if global warming has nothing to do with such phenomena ...life would be a lot better
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    White, are those figure per capita?

    I don't think anyone disagrees with the distinc possibility that global warming is affecting our weather. What I take issue with is your unsupported and obviously biased view that the US is the big bad guy who is to blame for it. I think one should note that England is the one who started the industrial revolution - one could easily place blame there.

    As adrian implied, there are issues besides disliking Bush's enviromental policy at play here. (Even if you hate that policy)


    Besides, we all know that Hurricane Katrina was steared into New Orleans.
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    Quote Originally Posted by white
    It has nothing to do directly...but nowaday things are so "complex" that one has to spot indirect relations in order to make sense.

    Two things are for sure.
    • The money that they spend on various wars etc could go into fortifying and generally preparing cities.

    • Taking measures against global warming and the such ...could prevent such disasters. Even if global warming has nothing to do with such phenomena ...life would be a lot better
    I'm sorry. But you're making unfounded statements again. I don't know what educational level you are currently at, but supporting yourself really is important. Only 19% of the US budget goes to foreign affairs. The rest goes for domestic uses.

    I agree with you that the world would be a better place if there was less pollution. I’ll even go as far as to say that I think global warming is a problem – though I don’t know enough to talk truly intelligently about it, but you can’t make sweeping statements without backing them up. You just sounds dumb.
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    I just heard it on CNN...if I find any relevant link i'll post it. 19% sounds like a big percentage to me by the way...And No ...as far as it concerns me ...US is not the worst.

    as far as it concerns founded statements ...I am not writing any paper at this moment, just making a friendly talk. But at my educational level I know one thing...If someone want to back up a statement ...he can...even if it's a lie. Didn't you hear Yakuza was behind Katrina

    “A meteorologist in Pocatello, Idaho, claims Japanese gangsters known as the Yakuza used KGB inventions to cause Hurricane Katrina, Wireless Flash reported Thursday. Scott Stevens says after looking at NASA satellite photos of the hurricane, he’s is convinced it was caused by electromagnetic generators from ground-based microwave transmitters… Stevens suspects the Japanese Yakuza created Katrina in order to make a fortune in the futures market and to get even with the U.S. for the 1945 bombing of Hiroshima.”
    http://councilcommunist.gnn.tv/blogs...Japanese_Mafia
    http://www.mosnews.com/news/2005/09/08/kgbkatrina.shtml

    and by the way there is a book about it in Greek at
    www.liako.gr

    a lot of people believe things like that you know...a scary percentage
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    the gasoline prices seem a "little" outdated....what year are those stats from anyways? early 90's?

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    >>> by axon: the gasoline prices seem a "little" outdated....what year are those stats from anyways? early 90's?


    yeah '92
    but the differences are more or less of the same type
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    Quote Originally Posted by kungtotte
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    >>Well, I don't think Bob is keying on the evacuation process here

    Oh?

    >>And no offense, but talking about this on an internet forum between a bunch of geeks and nerds isn't going to protect the states any better

    Excuse me while I sit here and ... *sigh*...wiki sarcasm

    > China and the US has to stop disobeying international pollution limits...

    I've never heard of such a thing. Back it up.
    To be fair to him, somehow or another it does need to be checked. I'm not a bleeding heart liberal hippy by any measure, but, global warming is something that needs to be addressed. Parts of the arctic circle have thawed enough that shipping lanes can be opened.
    http://www.planetark.com/dailynewsst...2004/story.htm


    Seeing as how this thread is taking an interesting direction towards other global issues that are at least loosely related to the original topic (not a bad thing) this article is an interesting read, the title 'will the end of oil mean the end of america.' I don't agree with some of what he says (that we have a police state in the US because of the patriot act...makes it sound like gulag) but for the most part he makes you think. Kind of a lengthy article.

    http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0301-12.htm
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    Quote Originally Posted by white
    Those statistics were far more interesting back in 1992 when they were relevant. I'm currently paying $3.15 per gallon for gas which is a far cry from the $1.07 listed there. Also the absense of China and India in those statistics speaks volumes regarding how outdated they are.

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    The real disgrace in Katrina was FEMA not knowing that there were people at the Convention Center.
    I knew there were people there because I had seen it on TV (even though I live on the otherside of the planet) but no-one at FEMA did?
    I suppose that FEMA knows you can't trust anything you see in the media.

    http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...katmyth26.html

    I expect that these reports created quite a panic within the New Orleans refugees....





    I think that the more powerful storms we are seeing is another piece of evidence that we are starting to have a detrimental effect the climate.

    We have 'Global Warming' and now 'Global Dimming'

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/life/featu...108853,00.html

    The combined effect appears to be that the earth is to trapping more energy in the atmosphere.

    The storms are just this energy being released.
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