MS is trying to kill GL... again...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stan100
    I was thinking about what would happen even if it did backfire on microsoft...even in the best case scenario. Lets say everyone switches to linux. Every non-techie yuppie will be asking every other non-techie yuppie which is the best distro, and in the end 90% of the country will end up using only RedHat (example) and it'l start all over again.
    True, but since Linux is Linux so long as you have the right windows enviroment, there really isn't anything stopping someone from writing a program for Red Hat and having it run on Fedora, Slackware, or Debian.

    And I could see every non-techie person to go to a free distro, since everyone loves cheap stuff!
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    Quote Originally Posted by 7smurfs
    The only difference I see in Vista from XP are purely looks, and some minor differences that I think a lot of windows users will probably not like (such as virtual folders, and the directory change) since they'll have to adapt to a new way of thinking, even if the changes aren't major.
    Most of the differences are ones that developers will notice more than the average user. The replacement of GDI and the presence of .NET being the biggest two.

    Virtual foldes is not that difficult a concept. Google is doing it with email using their "labels" system. A pretty useful idea really. Instead of copying every picture to My Pictures, you could simply tell the virtual folder to show every image on the drive and even possibly on currently inserted floppies and CDs.

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    >Most of the differences are ones that developers will notice more than the average user. The replacement of
    >GDI and the presence of .NET being the biggest two.

    actually that got canned with all of the other new technologies supposed to be in Vista. Vista is NOT based on .NET
    more here, http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,1841067,00.asp

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frobozz
    Most of the differences are ones that developers will notice more than the average user. The replacement of GDI and the presence of .NET being the biggest two.
    Developers don't make up the main windows users though. The end user isn't going to go, "Oh my gosh developers can do things easier! I must upgrade!"
    Then again, I may just be underrating the end user.

    The problem is, that a lot of people see no reason to upgrade (at least, the people I talk to don't). It seems to be nothing but XP with an expensive GUI. The high requirements alone will turn people off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Perspective
    actually that got canned with all of the other new technologies supposed to be in Vista. Vista is NOT based on .NET
    more here, http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,1841067,00.asp
    I said the presence of, not based on.

    Quote Originally Posted by 7smurfs
    Then again, I may just be underrating the end user.
    From what I've seen of the average Windows user, there is no way you could be underrating them.

    Quote Originally Posted by 7smurfs
    The problem is, that a lot of people see no reason to upgrade (at least, the people I talk to don't). It seems to be nothing but XP with an expensive GUI. The high requirements alone will turn people off.
    Microsoft has ways of "persuading" users to switch to a new operating systems. Eventually Microsoft will drop support and upgrades to Windows XP. And while that hasn't stopped home and business users from using Windows 98, it will cause some to switch to it. Plus look at all those people who like to "skin" their desktop - Windows Vista would allow for some nifty effects.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michalson
    To state it plain and simple, it's pure bull........ pulled from the butt a foaming at the mouth lunatic who doesn't even understand what he's ranting about. Microsoft does not control OpenGL. The absolute worst they could do is not include a generic OpenGL driver. And frankly that wouldn't make one bit of difference - real OpenGL support is handled by optimized drivers provided with your video card.

    Ati and NVidia determine OpenGL performance on your computer, not Microsoft. Microsoft's OpenGL driver isn't very fast on current versions of Windows, mainly because it's a generic driver with no way of knowing how to best take advantage of specific cards.
    He is right.

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    I haven't even upgraded to XP, though I have a legal version that came with my latest PC. Why should I ? 2K is running fine and I don't mind missing the latest and cutest bubble user interface. The first thing I switched at work was the candy/baloon-style interface. I don't like to have barbie sit on my windows. I never had dolls and I will not start now.
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    I like 2K pro but also winxp pro to some extent.

    Ok, if Microsoft went bankrupt, our economy would suffer greatly. Think about it, they control a ton of products and other companies and they make the most "user friendly" O/S environment.

    I like windows, I like linux, leave linux for the smart people, and windows for smart people and dumb people.

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    >>I said the presence of, not based on.

    How will the presence of .NET be any different than it is now on XP? The big deal was supposed to be that the OS is based on a .NET platform... but its not anymore. MS set their sights too high and dropped almost all of the new innovations that were supposed to go into Vista. No new filesystem (WinFS), no fancy new command line tools (Monad), no .NET basis...

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    I think everybody's missing the one good thing about all of this that MS is actually updating they're OpenGL imp... woot!

    >sand_man's ref...

    he's not right... i dont think he even read whats going on... and yeah, they could do A LOT WORSE...

    such as leave the Direct-X Aeroglass running when you start a GL app so the driver can crash them both! like happens nowa days when you overlap the two...

    but its totally ........ing stupid for them to claim that they have to run GL through a Direct-X wrapper to make it fly with aeroglass... on current drivers maybe?... but i expect that they IHV's will fix that...

    > nv's post

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    Quote Originally Posted by Perspective
    How will the presence of .NET be any different than it is now on XP? The big deal was supposed to be that the OS is based on a .NET platform... but its not anymore. MS set their sights too high and dropped almost all of the new innovations that were supposed to go into Vista. No new filesystem (WinFS), no fancy new command line tools (Monad), no .NET basis...
    I could care less about the OS being based on .NET. The biggest deal is in the form of the Mono Project. By the time Longhorn is released, it should be able to support most .NET projects. If companies switch to it, then there is a good chance their programs will be cross-platform because of it.

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    as soon as mono is mature enough for compaines to profit from, MS will step in and claim copyright infringment or something of the sort and force anyone who wants to profit to pay a micro-soft tax. If that wasn't the case they would have just picked up java instead of pulling random programming languages out of their ass.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Perspective
    as soon as mono is mature enough for compaines to profit from, MS will step in and claim copyright infringment or something of the sort and force anyone who wants to profit to pay a micro-soft tax. If that wasn't the case they would have just picked up java instead of pulling random programming languages out of their ass.
    I'm pretty sure .NET is an open standard that anyone is free to implement. It would look pretty bad for MS to do that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JoshR
    I like 2K pro but also winxp pro to some extent.

    Ok, if Microsoft went bankrupt, our economy would suffer greatly. Think about it, they control a ton of products and other companies and they make the most "user friendly" O/S environment.

    I like windows, I like linux, leave linux for the smart people, and windows for smart people and dumb people.
    If M$ went bankrupt out of nowhere, I'd be more worried about why Washington (state) got bombed

    Actually, I don't think the economy would suffer greaty. I agree it would do bad...but alot of hardware is based on linux, including routers and less computer oriented things. And all those companies that "recommend windows"--if M$ went bankrupt, they'd switch to the next big thing. It's money, not loyalty.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Perspective
    If that wasn't the case they would have just picked up java instead of pulling random programming languages out of their ass.
    Because then Sun would stick their nose into it and complain that Microsoft was trying to take away what little they had left.

    I seriously doubt that Microsoft is going to kill OpenGL. Even if they did it would only be for their implementation of the driver. And anybody who cares about it is going to be using a driver by the company that makes their video card.

    Quote Originally Posted by Stan100
    Actually, I don't think the economy would suffer greaty.
    You have to wonder though - how come the terrorists haven't bombed them. But I imagine it is because it wouldn't have much of an effect. Sure people know of Bill Gates, but the non-techie wouldn't really care.

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